Par Albert (Albert) le mardi 17 juin 2003 - 10h42:

'.....Le hamas de négosier...'

Il peut toujours s'égosiller à précher dans le désert. Tant qu'il n'a pas pris les choses en main, il restera le 'Poussin sans duvet'comme l'a dit ..Sharon.

Aujourd'hui c 'est Mardi pour moi et j'ai lavè la vaisselle et même repassè le linge de ce matin. Khèir ou challoum mnih..

Par Ayman (Ayman) le mardi 24 juin 2003 - 18h46:

pour lire les deux articles en hebreu :http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article255_heb.html

et

http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article254_heb.html

Par Ayman (Ayman) le mardi 24 juin 2003 - 18h45:

Uri Avnery

21.6.03


The Best Show in Town


The most talented director could not have done better. It was a perfect show.

Television viewers all over the world saw heroic Israeli soldiers on their screens battling the fanatical settlers. Close-ups: faces twisted with passion, a soldier lying on a stretcher, a young woman crying in despair, children weeping, youngsters storming forward in fury, masses of people wrestling with each other. A battle of life and death.

There is no room for doubt: Ariel Sharon is leading a heroic fight against the settlers in order to fulfil his promise to remove "unauthorized" outposts, even "inhabited" ones. The old warrior is again facing a determined enemy without flinching.

The conclusion is self-evident, both in Israel and throughout the world: if such a tumultuous battle takes place for a tiny outpost inhabited by hardly a dozen people, how can one expect Sharon to remove 90 outposts, as promised in the Road Map? If things look like that when he has to remove a handful of tents and one small stone building - how can one even dream of evacuating real settlements, where dozens, hundreds or even thousands of families are living?

This must have impressed George Bush and his people. Unfortunately, it has not impressed me.

It makes me laugh.

In the last few years I have witnessed dozens of confrontation with the army. I know what they really look like.

The Israeli army has already demolished thousands of Palestinian homes in the occupied territories. This is how it goes: early in the morning, hundreds of soldiers surround the land. Behind them come the tanks and bulldozers, and the action starts. When despair drives the inhabitants to resist, the soldiers hit them with sticks, throw tear gas grenades, shoot rubber-coated metal bullets and, if the resistance is stronger, live ammunition, too. Old people are thrown on the ground, women dragged along, young people handcuffed and pushed against the wall. After a few minutes, it's all over.

Well, they'll say, that's done to Arabs. They don't do this to Jews.

Wrong. They certainly do this to Jews. Depends who the Jews are.

I, for example, am a Jew. I have been attacked with tear gas five times so far. Once it was a special gas, and for a few moments I was afraid that I was going to choke to death.

During one of the blockades on Ramallah we decided to bring food to the beleaguered town. We were some three thousand Israeli peace activists, both Jews and Arabs. At the A-Ram checkpoint, north of Jerusalem, a line of policemen and soldiers stopped us. There was an exchange of insults and a lot of shouting. Suddenly we were showered with tear gas canisters. The thousands dispersed in panic, coughing and choking, some were trampled; one of our group, an 82-year old Jew and kibbutznik, was injured.

I have witnessed demonstrations in which rubber-coated bullets were shot at Israeli citizens (generally Arabs). Once I was in the gas-filled rooms of a school at Um-al-Fahem in Israel.

If the army had really wanted to evacuate Mitpe-Yitzhar quickly and efficiently, it would have used tear gas. The whole business would have been over in a few minutes. But then there would not have been dramatic pictures on TV, and George W. would have asked his friend Arik: "Hey, why don't you finish with all the outposts in a week?"

In other words, this was a well-produced show for TV.

A few days before, the leaders of the settlers met with Ariel Sharon. As they left and faced the cameras they uttered dark threats, but anyone who knows these people and looked at their faces on TV could see that there were no strong emotions at work. Of course, the "Yesha rabbis" (Yesha is settlerese for the West Bank), a group of bearded political functionaries, called on the soldiers to disobey orders and requested the LORD and the messiah to come to their help, but even they lacked real passion.

Why? Because all of them knew that everything has been agreed in advance. The army chiefs and the leaders of the settlers, comrades and partners for a long time, sat together and decided what would happen, and, more importantly, what would not happen: no sudden attack, no efforts to prevent thousands of young people from reaching the place well in advance, no use of sticks, water cannon, tear gas, rubber-coated bullets or any other means beyond the use of bare hands. The soldiers would not wear helmets nor be equipped with shields. The settlers would shout and push, but would not hit the soldiers in earnest. The whole show would be less violent then a normal scuffle with British soccer hooligans, but would look on TV like a desperate battle between titanic forces.

Ariel Sharon has some experience with this kind of thing. A dozen years ago he directed a similar show when, following the peace treaty with Egypt, he was ordered by Prime Minister Menahem Begin to evacuate the town of Yamit in the northern Sinai peninsula. At the time, Sharon was Minister of Defense. And who was one of the leaders of the dramatic resistance? Tsachi Hanegbi, now the minister in charge of the police.

All the arms of the establishment cooperated this week in the big show. The media devoted many hours to the "battle". Dozens of settlers were invited to the studios and talked endlessly - while, as far as I saw, not a single person belonging to the active peace camp was called to the microphone.

The courts, too, did their duty: the handful of settlers that were arrested for resisting violently were sent home after spending a day or two in jail. The courts, who never show any mercy when Arabs appear before them, treated the fanatical settlers like erring sons.

The whole comedy would have been funny, if it did not concern a very serious problem. Such an "outpost" looks like a harmless cluster of mobile homes on top of a god-forsaken hill, but it is far from being innocuous. It is a symptom of a cancerous growth. Not for nothing did Ariel Sharon - the very same Sharon - call upon the settlers a few years ago to take control of all the hills of "Judea and Samaria".

The disease develops like this: a group of rowdies occupies a hilltop, some miles from an established settlement, and puts a mobile home there. After some time, the "outpost" already consists of a number of mobile homes. A generator and a water-tower are brought in. Women with babies appear on the scene. A fence is set up. The army sends some units to defend them. They declare that for security reasons, Palestinians are not allowed to come near, in order to prevent them from spying and preparing an attack. The security zone becomes bigger and bigger. The inhabitants of the neighboring Palestinian villages cannot reach some of their orchards and fields any more. It someone tries, he is liable to be shot. Every settler has a weapon, and he has nothing to fear from the law if he uses it against a suspicious Arab. All Arabs are suspicious, of course.

As it so happens, I have some experience with Mitzpe Yitzhak, the particular outpost that figured in this week's show. Some months ago we were called by the inhabitants of the Palestinian village Habala to help them pick their olives in a grove near this "outpost". When the pickers came near to the outpost, the settlers opened fire. An Israeli in our group was wounded when a bullet struck a rock at his feet.

The "unauthorized" outposts were in fact established systematically, with the help of the army and according to its planning. When several outposts take root in a region, the Palestinian villages are choked between them. Their life becomes hell. The settlers and officers clearly hope that in the end they will give up and clear out.

Will Sharon really evacuate them by the dozens? That depends, of course, on his friend George W. If the "hudna" (truce) between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas is achieved, Bush may perhaps exert serious pressure on Sharon. When I visited Yasser Arafat yesterday, he seemed to be cautiously optimistic. But he, too, said that there are no more than four months left for getting things moving: starting from November, the American President will be busy getting himself reelected.

This means that Sharon has only to produce a few more shows of this sort for television, and then he and the settlers will be able to breathe freely once again. Uri Avnery

14.6.03


Children of Death


A week after the ship of peace was solemnly launched on its perilous voyage from Aqaba harbor, it was hit by a torpedo. It is not yet clear whether it is wrecked or can continue on its way in spite of the damage.

The story of its voyage so far: An Israeli helicopter gunship tried to kill Abd-al-Aziz al-Rantisi, one of the leaders of the political wing of Hamas. He miraculously survived. Immediately afterwards the gunships killed other Hamas leaders. Clearly, this was the beginning of a campaign to kill the leaders of all the wings of Hamas - military, political, social, educational and religious.

Such a campaign is, of course, the outcome of long preparations, which take weeks and months. It was evidently planned even before the Aqaba summit conference convened, but postponed by Sharon in order to afford President Bush his moments of photographic glory on the shore of the Red Sea. Immediately after the President and his entourage went home, radiant with success, the machinery of death went into action.

In establishing intent, all courts around the world act upon a simple principle: a person who carries out an action with predictable results is held to have intended that result. That is true for this campaign, too.

The killing of the Hamas leaders (together with their wives, children and casual bystanders) is intended to attain the following results: (a) acts of revenge by Hamas, i.e. suicide bombings, (b) the failure of the Palestinian Authority's efforts to secure the agreement of Hamas to a cease-fire, (c) the destruction of Abu Mazen's political standing right from the start, (d) the demolition of the Road Map, (e) compensation for the settlers after the removal of some sham "outposts".

All five objectives have been achieved. Blood and fire cover the country, the media on both sides are busy with funerals and mutual incitement, the efforts to establish a hudnah (truce) have stopped, Sharon called Abu Mazen a chicken without feathers, the Road Map is tottering , Bush has mildly reproached Sharon while directing his wrath at Hamas.

The "dismantling" of the phony settlement-outposts, a joke to start with, has been stopped. Construction activity in the settlements is in full swing, and so is the building of the "fence" that is establishing a new border deep inside the West Bank. (Both Bush and Blair have demanded that it be stopped, a boost to the campaign we started months ago). The closures and blockades have been tightened. The situation in the occupied Palestinian territories is back to what it was before, as if the entire performance in Aqaba had never taken place.

The decision to kill Rantisi was, therefore, a decisive point in the history of Israel. And the first question must be: who was it that took this decision?

It is easy to say who did not take it.

Not the government, which has become a choir of flatterers and yes-men. Sharon treats them with contempt. He would not dream of consulting them.

Not the Knesset, which has reached an unprecedented low. It now openly includes representatives of the underworld, a murderer who has asked for (and received) a pardon, and some small politicians who look as if they had been picked at random from the street. The Speaker is known as an entertaining character.

And not the public at large, of course. All public opinion polls show that the public wanted the road Map to succeed. All believed that Sharon was serious about seeking peace. On the left, too, there were many simpletons who lauded Sharon for changing his spots. Nobody asked the public if it wants to start a new round of violence. Indeed, the latest poll indicates that 67% of the public did not support the attempt on Rantisi's life after it happened. But Sharon knew that the public would accept his decisions and follow him like the sheep on his ranch.

If so, who took the decision?

That is no secret. The decision was taken by five generals:

- The Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, a retired two-star general.

- The Minister of Defense, Sha'ul Mofaz, a retired three-star general.

- The Chief-of-Staff, Moshe Ya'alon, a serving three-star general.

- The Mossad chief, Me'ir Dagan, a former one-star general.

- The Security Service chief, Avi Dichter, with a rank equivalent to a three-star general.

This military quintet is now making decisions about the fate of Israel, perhaps for generations, perhaps for ever. In Latin America they would be called a Junta (military committee).

We have spoken more than once about the special status of generals - in and out of uniform - in our state. It has no equivalent in the Western world. In no democratic country does a general now serve as prime minister. In no democratic country does a professional soldier serve as minister of defense, certainly not one who was wearing a general's uniform right on the eve of his ministerial appointment. In no democratic country does the Chief-of-Staff attend all cabinet meetings, where he serves as the highest authority in all "security" matters - which, in Israel, include practically all matters of national policy.

The rule of the generals is based on an extensive infrastructure. An Israeli general leaves the army, as a rule, in his early 40s. If he does not join the top leadership of a political party (Likud, Labor and the National Religious Party are at present led by generals, and Meretz is practically led by a colonel), or manage to get elected as a mayor, his comrades help him to settle down as the director of a large government corporation, university or public utility.

The hundreds of ex-generals who man most of the key posts in government and society are not only a group of veterans sharing common memories. The partnership goes much deeper. Dozens of years of service in the regular army form a certain outlook on life, a political world-view, ways of thinking and even language. In all the years of Israel, there have been no more than three or four exceptions to this rule.

On the face of it, there are right-wing and left-wing generals, but that is an optical illusion. This week it was particularly obvious: after the assassination attempt on Rantisi and the Hamas revenge-attack, dozens of generals appeared in the media. (An Israeli general, however stupid he may be, automatically becomes a sought-after commentator in the media.) For the sake of "balance", generals-of-the-right and generals-of-the-left were brought on screen, and lo and behold, they all said the same thing, more or less, even using the same terminology.

More than in the "commentaries" themselves, this found expression in two Hebrew words: Ben Mavet ("Son of death", meaning a person who must be killed).

As if by order, this week these two detestable words entered the public discourse. There was hardly a general, politician or correspondent who did not roll them on his tongue with obvious relish. They had never been heard before in the media. Now, suddenly, everybody has started to use them. Rantisi was a "son of death". Sheikh Yassin was a "son of death". The other Hamas leaders were "children of death". Perhaps even Yasser Arafat himself.

The expression appears in the Bible, II Samuel, XII. King David has committed a heinous crime, deliberately arranging for his most loyal officer, Uriah the Hittite, to be killed in battle, so he can have his wife, Bath-sheba, for himself. The prophet Nathan denounces him for this deed, telling him the story of the rich man who slaughtered the only sheep of a poor man. David gets very angry and tells the prophet: "As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing is a son of death!" To which Nathan replies: "Thou art the man!"

Ironically, the Bible applied the term to the greatest leader of the people of Israel, who has committed an abominable crime. Now it is used by the leaders of the state of Israel against Palestinians.

But this is not the most important point. It is more significant that the Prime Minister and his small group of generals introduce these two words,and all the people repeat them like a giant flock of parrots, without thinking, without protesting. This is rather frightening in itself, but when these words reflect a disastrous national decision and the public accepts it without question, that is even more frightening.

It is not yet clear whether Sharon has succeeded in scuttling the boat of the peace initiative. Perhaps President Bush will after all show some resolution and save the initiative, in which he has invested his personal prestige. But in the meantime the dance of death continues, and the blood flows - quite literally - in the streets of Israel and Palestine.

Par Ayman (Ayman) le mardi 24 juin 2003 - 18h15:

excuser moi les mecs . je savait que c 'est 12000 . je me suis tromper en tapant .mais voila 12000 c'est deja tres enorme normalement on doit pas parler de nouvelles colonie dans cette periode . charon , tous ce qu'il a fait en pratique c'est demontele une seule colonie et encore c'est meme pas une colonie ; apres je me suis rendue compte que c'etais un projet de colonie : en effet il y avait pas encore de gens dans cette colonie; elle n'etait pas encore construite: ce qu'il a fait c'est : il a enlevé trois barreaux de fer . et aujourdhuit je m'apercoit que les extremistes juifs ont fait tous seuls une petite colonie et ils ont dit que c'est une réponse a ce que charon a fait .

pourquoi voulez vous que hamas croit ce que charon dit ??????

Par Albert (Albert) le mardi 24 juin 2003 - 19h34:

Ayman,

Quel souffle, mon majeur est restè coincè sur ton texte, chnouè, tu ne pouvais pas faire dans le cours....J'ai eu mal au rein en plus et aux yeux, mes rhumatismes se sont réveilès, et en plus écrit en anglais, qui va me traduire ca...?
Attends je vais en parler à NAO.....Tu l'as dépassè dans l'english....

Par Maxiton (Maxiton) le mercredi 25 juin 2003 - 09h03:

Quand le soir vous entendez le bruit d'une photocopieuse,
ne cherchez pas c'est Ayman qui Žcrit un article.
Albert, non seulement il Žcrit en anglais, mais il lit aussi
l'hŽbreu ! Et dans des journaux israeliens
Cest Pic de La Mirandole notre Ayman
Houta aali

Par Maxiton (Maxiton) le mercredi 25 juin 2003 - 10h52:

Ayman
pour en finir une bonne fois pour toutes
Tu nous balance des articles d'israeliens critiquant la
politique de leurs dirigeants.
Mais eux peuvent le faire sans risque de se faire fusiller
devant un mur de la mouqata,
C'est ca la democratie
Toi le polyglotte, envoie nous plut™t des articles ecrits par
des palestiniens de Gaza critiquant ouvertement le Hamas
et son cheik yassissine, ou le vieillard mangeurs d'enfants
martyrs.
Mais il n'y en a pas.
Et y en aurait-t-il qu'ils seraient deja morts avant meme
d'avoir pense a leur article

Par Robert_Abraham (Robert_Abraham) le mercredi 25 juin 2003 - 10h35:

Attendez Maxiton et Albert! Vous n'avez encore rien vu! Il nous prepare des articles en russe en chinois, en macedonien et en langage eskimo!

C'est vrai que nous les Juifs sommes polyglottes mais enfin, pas a ce point la!

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Albert,

Il a failli te donner les rhumatismes. Moi il me les a donnes carrement!

Par Robert_Abraham (Robert_Abraham) le mercredi 25 juin 2003 - 10h21:

Ayman,

Dis-moi fils, je sais pas si t'as remarque mais on est dans un forum francophone ici.

Alors tes trucs en anglais, t'es bien gentil mais...

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Du reste, c'est quoi ton intention? Tu vas faire des recherches partout sur Internet et chaque fois que tu vas trouver un article qui denigre Israel ou Charon ou les Juifs, tu vas faire un copier-coller et tu vas nous le coller en pleine gueule?

Moi je pense que tu vas un peu trop loin...

Que tu postes tes commentaires repetitifs a l'extreme (on ne peut penser qu'a un disque raye), soit.. Tu ne connais pas le sens de la mesure; il y a des gens comme ca...

Mais tes trucs de copier-coller commencent a serieusement me taper sur le systeme..

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Je suis un democrate.. Je crois a la liberte d'expression sur les forums. Mais la tu abuses de cette liberte et il faut que ca cesse ...

Je te demande d'arreter de nous envoyer des articles en copier-coller a qui mieux-mieux comme tu le fais...

Si tu as des articles a nous faire lire, envoie-nous l'URL et on ira voir si on est interesse...

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Par ailleurs, si tu lances un sujet et que personne n'est interesse a repondre, il faut que tu tires la conclusion qui s'impose: nous ne sommes pas interesses a mener un dialogue de sourds avec toi et a tourner en rond 15-20 jours de suite comme il y a quelque temps.

Je l'ai fait il y a quelques mois et c'est une experience que je ne desire pas repeter...

D'ailleurs je me demande pourquoi tu veux repeter cette experience! Ca ne t'a pas suffi? C'est une drogue ou quoi pour toi de venir denigrer les Juifs sur leur forum?

Alors STP, n'insiste pas ...

On a ete tres sympa avec toi a date mais tu abuses de notre gentillesse et de notre hospitalite et tu nous harceles carrement ...

Tu vas trop loin et si ca continue je vais demander au moderateur d'intervenir...

BARAKA!!!!!!!

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PS: Je suis sur que tu as des choses plus interessantes a faire dans ta vie que de passer ton temps a chercher des articles qui denigrent Charon, Israel et les Juifs pour ensuite les poster chez Harissa...
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Par Albert (Albert) le mercredi 25 juin 2003 - 20h25:

Yè Abraham, tu ne vas pas me croire si je te confie qq chose. Bon à prendre avec des pincettes, ok...Hier pour mon doigt crispè sur le clavier, j'ai dû me faire visiter par une kinè, elle veut que je fasse 15 séances de massage, rien que pour le doigt mais la meilleure, je lui demandè un cadeau à ma kinè, en prime, mais bon je ne vais te le dire ici.

La dahka, j'ai rendu visite à ma mère et elle m'a invitèe à manger des briks à l'oeuf, genre su super marchè alors je lui ai demandè 'Ecoute maman, la prochaine fois,' Fakkes fouk él warka de la route ( feuille de route) deux oeufs pourries....' Tu sais ce qu'elle m'a répondu la pauvre.....' Yè ouldi élli tkolli nââmèl...!'
(Ce qui te fait plaisir je le fais...!')
Elle n'a pas compris...

Par Robert_Abraham (Robert_Abraham) le jeudi 26 juin 2003 - 02h33:

Albert,

Tu nous donneras la recette de ce plat avec des feuilles de route! lol

Par Robert_Abraham (Robert_Abraham) le jeudi 26 juin 2003 - 03h05:

CETTE INTERVENTION DE MAXITON DEVRAIT ETRE ENCADREE!

JE LA CITE DANS SON ENTIER...

Ayman
Pour en finir une bonne fois pour toutes
Tu nous balances des articles d'Israeliens critiquant la politique de leurs dirigeants.

Mais eux peuvent le faire sans risque de se faire fusiller devant un mur de la mouqata, c'est ca la democratie

Toi le polyglotte, envoie nous plutot des articles ecrits par des Palestiniens de Gaza critiquant ouvertement le Hamas et son cheik Yassissine, ou le vieillard mangeurs d'enfants martyrs.

Mais il n'y en a pas.

Et y en aurait-t-il qui seraient deja morts avant meme d'avoir pense a leur article?

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Ah!! Je suis d'accord a 200% avec toi, Maxiton!

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Attention! Preparez-vous a recevoir un post de 10 pages d'Ayman; vous avez -on a- remonte son mecanisme...

Il est a l'heure actuelle quelque part dans le cyber-espace en train de chercher partout des articles d'Israeliens dissidents...Dans toutes les langues...

Quelle chutzpah! Nous envoyer des articles qu'il n'a meme pas lus!