{"id":37445,"date":"2026-10-03T03:32:52","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=37445"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:32:52","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:52","slug":"commentaires-de-juin-2004-archive-jusquau-21-juin-2004","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-de-juin-2004-archive-jusquau-21-juin-2004\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires de Juin 2004 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 21\/juin\/2004"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Anonyme (Anonyme)<\/b> le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h15: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  NOS KIFS <\/p>\n<p>Le kif c&rsquo;est apr\u00e8s un bon couscous fait avec amour de d\u00e9guster les amandes fraiches et de rire aux \u00e9clats en dig\u00e9rant avec la tante ou le fils qui fait son sketche.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana)<\/b> le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h15: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Henri est a Djebel Ejloud ils avaient construit un four crematoir c&rsquo;etait pour faire du pain? <br \/>C&rsquo;est a cause d&rsquo;eux que je suis en Amerique.  Ils nous ont sauve la vie.  Moi je n&rsquo;oublie pas.  Moi j&rsquo;adore les Etats Unis avec tous les Bush et les buches.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Claudia (Claudia)<\/b> le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h13: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Primor : \u00ab Juifs de France, prenez votre ind\u00e9pendance vis-\u00e0-vis d\u2019Isra\u00ebl \u00bb      <\/p>\n<p>Avi Primor, ancien ambassadeur d\u2019Isra\u00ebl \u00e0 Bruxelles, aupr\u00e8s de l\u2019UE, et en Allemagne, soutient les accords de Gen\u00e8ve et multiplie les rencontres avec les Palestiniens. Interrog\u00e9 par Marianne, il indique que : \u00ab A l\u2019heure actuelle, la Diaspora ne cherche pas \u00e0 influencer le conflit. Elle essaie de suivre la politique officielle des gouvernements \u00e9lus en Isra\u00ebl. Elle s\u2019interdit d\u2019avoir une ligne de pens\u00e9e ind\u00e9pendante. Par cons\u00e9quent, lorsque les d\u00e9cideurs en Isra\u00ebl r\u00e9fl\u00e9chissent aux donn\u00e9es de la politique, l\u2019opinion de la Diaspora ne compte pas.  <\/p>\n<p>Se battre pour la paix isra\u00e9lo-palestinienne, c\u2019est aussi se battre contre l\u2019antis\u00e9mitisme (Marianne)  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Henri (Henri)<\/b> le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 08h48: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Aux am\u00e9ricanophobes de tout poil: (suite) <\/p>\n<p>Pas seulement en Normandie!!!! <br \/> S&rsquo;ils n&rsquo;etaient pas arrives aussi en Tunisie et liberes mon pere ainsi que d&rsquo;autres \u00ab\u00a0travaileurs forces\u00a0\u00bb, nous ne serions pas la aujourdh&rsquo;ui, car les Americains nous ont sauve de l&rsquo;extermination programee et deja effectuee de l&rsquo;autre cote de la mediteranee. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emma (Emma)<\/b> le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 08h01: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Aux am\u00e9ricanophobes de tout  poil: Fume, c&rsquo;est du Sardou!  <br \/>Les Ricains  <\/p>\n<p>Michel Sardou  <\/p>\n<p>Paroles : Michel Sardou  <\/p>\n<p>Musique : Guy Magenta  <\/p>\n<p>Ann\u00e9e :  1967 <\/p>\n<p>Si les Ricains n&rsquo;\u00e9taient pas  l\u00e0 <\/p>\n<p>Vous seriez tous en Germanie <\/p>\n<p>A parler de je ne sais  quoi, <\/p>\n<p>A saluer je ne sais qui. <\/p>\n<p>Bien s\u00fbr les ann\u00e9es ont  pass\u00e9. <\/p>\n<p>Les fusils ont chang\u00e9 de mains. <\/p>\n<p>Est-ce une raison pour  oublier <\/p>\n<p>Qu&rsquo;un jour on en a eu besoin ? <\/p>\n<p>Un gars venu de  G\u00e9orgie <\/p>\n<p>Qui se foutait pas mal de toi <\/p>\n<p>Est v&rsquo;nu mourir en  Normandie, <\/p>\n<p>Un matin o\u00f9 tu n&rsquo;y \u00e9tais pas. <\/p>\n<p>Bien s\u00fbr les  ann\u00e9es ont pass\u00e9. <\/p>\n<p>On est devenus des copains. <\/p>\n<p>A l&rsquo;amicale du  fusill\u00e9, <\/p>\n<p>On dit qu&rsquo;ils sont tomb\u00e9s pour rien. <\/p>\n<p>Si les  Ricains n&rsquo;\u00e9taient pas l\u00e0 <\/p>\n<p>Vous seriez tous en Germanie <\/p>\n<p>A parler de  je ne sais quoi, <\/p>\n<p>A saluer je ne sais qui.  <\/p>\n<p>[Merci \u00e0 Yigal Palmor de ce rappel  !] <\/p>\n<p>Mis en ligne le 07 juin 2004 sur le site _<a href=\"http:\/\/www.upjf.org_\">http:\/\/www.upjf.org_<\/a> <br \/>(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.upjf.org\/\">http:\/\/www.upjf.org\/<\/a>) . <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Email (Email)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 22h51: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"c:\/\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/10271.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<p>Envoye par Avraham<\/p><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 20h26: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Slim les fallafels n&rsquo;existent pas en Afrique du Nord, ils existent qu&rsquo;au Moyen Orient.  C&rsquo;est la nourriture la moins chere. Des boulettes fritent et composees de poichiche moulu.  En Tunisie on fait du Mergaz, de la Kefta ou sanwich Tunisien.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Claudia (Claudia)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h36: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Madonna se choisit le pr\u00e9nom d&rsquo;Esther en tant que fid\u00e8le de la kabbale  <\/p>\n<p>Ne l&rsquo;appelez Louise Veronica mais Esther: c&rsquo;est le pr\u00e9nom juif que Madonna s&rsquo;est choisie en tant que fid\u00e8le de la kabbale ou qu\u00eate mystique mosa\u00efque donnant une interpr\u00e9tation de l&rsquo;Ancien Testament. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0J&rsquo;ai re\u00e7u le pr\u00e9nom de ma m\u00e8re. Ma m\u00e8re est morte quand j&rsquo;\u00e9tais tr\u00e8s jeune, du cancer (&#8230;) Et je voulais m&rsquo;attacher \u00e0 un autre pr\u00e9nom\u00a0\u00bb, d\u00e9clare la chanteuse dans une interview qui sera diffus\u00e9e ce vendredi soir sur la cha\u00eene am\u00e9ricaine ABC. \u00ab\u00a0Ce choix n&rsquo;est pas la n\u00e9gation de ce qu&rsquo;est ma m\u00e8re (&#8230;) Je voulais profiter de l&rsquo;\u00e9nergie d&rsquo;un pr\u00e9nom diff\u00e9rent\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>Au cours de cette interview Madonna a montr\u00e9 le petit bracelet rouge comme signe d&rsquo;appartenance \u00e0 la kabbale et qu&rsquo;elle porte \u00e0 son poignet mais dissimul\u00e9 sous sa montre. Elle se dit profond\u00e9ment choqu\u00e9e par les critiques qui laissent entendre que son int\u00e9r\u00eat pour la mystique juive n&rsquo;est rien d&rsquo;autre qu&rsquo;une mode. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Je suis assez irrit\u00e9e que les gens pensent qu&rsquo;il y a une esp\u00e8ce de train de c\u00e9l\u00e9brit\u00e9s dans lequel j&rsquo;ai saut\u00e9 ou encore Demi Moore\u00a0\u00bb, souligne la chanteuse \u00e2g\u00e9e de 45 ans avant d&rsquo;ajouter: \u00ab\u00a0Nous ne prenons pas cela \u00e0 la l\u00e9g\u00e8re\u00a0\u00bb. AP  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Slim (Slim)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 13h59: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Tunisian falafel??? C&rsquo;est quoi ca? Pendant mes 19 ans la bas, je n&rsquo;ai jamais entendu le mot, ni vu de loin ou de pres Un Falafel Tunisien. Peut-etre voulaient-ils dire, Felfel:-) <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Suggest1 (Suggest1)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 15h16: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  La f\u00eate de la musique ! Lundi 21 juin ! <\/p>\n<p>A l\u2019occasion de la f\u00eate de la musique ! <br \/>Participation de la Grande Chorale des Amis de la CCE et Grand programme de musique Klezmer  lundi 21 juin devant le caf\u00e9 th\u00e9\u00e2tre de la vieille grille, 1 rue du puits de l\u2019Ermite 75005 paris (pr\u00e8s de la place Monge) \u00e0 20h <\/p>\n<p>Suggest1 <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Douda (Douda)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 16h54: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  La Douda : ( Hak El Ouet International Tracking Station )  <\/p>\n<p>Selon l\u2019 Email : Comment se fait-il que nous soyons oblig\u00e9s de parler anglais ?  <\/p>\n<p>Pratiquement plus personne ne parle l\u2019Anglais : ( De Source Sure ! ), car pour parler l\u2019Anglais il vaut mieux \u00eatre Anglais ! Car la plupart de ceux qui pr\u00e9tendent parler l\u2019Anglais, ne font que s\u2019exprimer dans un charabia international, qui ressemble \u00e0 de l\u2018Anglais, qui imite l\u2019Anglais, mais qui n\u2019est pas de l\u2019Anglais, Zama Canada Dry !  <\/p>\n<p>Ou alors si c\u2019est \u00e7a de l\u2019Anglais, c\u2019est de l\u2019Anglais pour les ZouLous ! <\/p>\n<p>Wnessou El Douda <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Douda (Douda)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 16h55: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  La Douda : ( Hak El Ouet International Tracking Station )  <\/p>\n<p>Conclusion, le \u00ab\u00a0combat\u00a0\u00bb contre l&rsquo;antis\u00e9mitisme \u00e0 la sauce PS, c&rsquo;est des slogans et des postures avec derri\u00e8re (!!!!!),&#8230; &#8230; &#8230; Fran\u00e7ois Medioni  <\/p>\n<p>La sauce FN serait-elle pr\u00e9f\u00e9rable ? <\/p>\n<p>Wnessou El Douda <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Soleil (Soleil)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h05: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> New Torah Celebration in Gush Katif &#8211; All invited &#8211; See  <br \/>below  <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0Hebron\/Arutz7-INN Commentary <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>We Will Not Be Sheep Led to Slaughter <br \/>by David Wilder <br \/>The Jewish Community of Hebron <br \/>June 20, 2004 <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Any time the word violence pops up, especially in the  <br \/>context of \u2018right wing\u2019 activists, \u2018condemnation\u2019 is an  <br \/>automatic byproduct. So it was late last week when Uri  <br \/>Elitzur, editor of the Israeli monthly magazine Nikuda,  <br \/>legitimized limited violence against anyone attempting  <br \/>to expel people from their homes in Yesha.  <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>In an interview printed in Arutz 7\u2019s weekly newspaper,  <br \/>B\u2019Sheva, Elitzur said, \u201cUprooting a community is illegal  <br \/>and shocking, and therefore it is justified [for a soldier]  <br \/>to refuse orders to do so, and [for a resident to use]  <br \/>violence and any other means by which to defend his  <br \/>home from which he is being expelled for political  <br \/>reasons. I recommend refusing orders, since they are  <br \/>illegal; whoever fulfills these orders will be brought to  <br \/>trial&#8230; In my opinion, any use of force, except for live  <br \/>weapons, is legitimate in such a case. After the fact,  <br \/>even someone who injures those who come to expel  <br \/>him &#8211; I would accept his behavior with understanding.\u201d <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Elitzur is not your run-of-the-mill militant. He was Prime  <br \/>Minister Bibi Netanyahu\u2019s Chief of Staff for almost a  <br \/>year and a half, in essence, supporting Netanyahu  <br \/>following his abandonment of Hebron and during the  <br \/>Wye fiasco. He was, at that time, branded \u2018traitor\u2019 and  <br \/>other such pleasant invectives..  <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Following such explosive remarks, it comes as no  <br \/>surprise that the Israeli left demands Elitzur\u2019s arrest,  <br \/>indictment and conviction for \u2018inciting violence.\u2019  <br \/>President Moshe Katzav, a one-time rightist himself,  <br \/>also found it proper to condemn Elitzur\u2019s\u00a0 comments.  <br \/>That too is no great shock. However, that fact that  <br \/>Yesha Council chairman Bentzi Lieberman also  <br \/>jumped on the bandwagon is a bit disconcerting, to say  <br \/>the least. Lieberman rejected appeals to soldiers to  <br \/>refuse obeying orders in the case of community  <br \/>expulsions and reiterated opposition to \u2018any form of  <br \/>violence, physical or verbal, against soldiers\u2019 evicting  <br \/>families from their homes. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Many people, in Israel and around the world,  <br \/>mistakenly believe that the Yesha Council \u2018represents\u2019  <br \/>everyone in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. They do not!  <br \/>The Yesha Council is composed of mayors and heads  <br \/>of councils of Yesha communities. These people are  <br \/>elected by their respective constituent communities to  <br \/>provide services rendered by a town council or  <br \/>municipality. Such services include education,  <br \/>sanitation, limited security needs, road safety, and the  <br \/>like. They are not elected to represent political  <br \/>ideologies of their constituents, not individually, and  <br \/>certainly not as a whole. These people are dependent  <br \/>upon governmental funding to keep their communities  <br \/>fiscally alive. They need to cooperate with the offices of  <br \/>the various ministries, such as education, heath,  <br \/>welfare, etc. in order to received monies vital to their  <br \/>community\u2019s wellbeing. Following the dismantling of  <br \/>the ministry of religious affairs, the person responsible  <br \/>for such services is none other than\u2026 the Prime  <br \/>Minister himself. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>In other words, if these people, as good as they are, as  <br \/>sincere as they are, as idealistic as they are, too  <br \/>vehemently oppose government policies, they are  <br \/>effectively cutting off the branches on which they perch.  <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>So it comes as no surprise that Bentzi Lieberman,  <br \/>mayor of the Shomron Regional Council, opposes \u2018any  <br \/>violence\u2019 and repudiates demands for soldiers to refuse  <br \/>to obey orders. Were he to agree to these ideas, even  <br \/>tacitly, he would \u2018lose face\u2019 with those \u2018important  <br \/>people\u2019 necessary to budget his constituent\u2019s needs  <br \/>and even meet with him and his friends on a fairly  <br \/>regular basis, such as the defense minister and the  <br \/>prime minister himself. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>It should also be noted that many of these council  <br \/>heads have long-established personal relationships  <br \/>with Israel\u2019s top brass. For instance, a well-known,  <br \/>influential Yesha leader, known to be very close to Ariel  <br \/>Sharon, invited Sharon\u2019s son Omri to join him this year  <br \/>at his Purim table. How could a top-ranking Yesha  <br \/>leader, who is supposed to be in the forefront of the  <br \/>battle to stop Ariel Sharon\u2019s madness, drink wine and  <br \/>make merry with one of the people thought to be most  <br \/>responsible for Sharon\u2019s betrayal of Eretz Yisrael? <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>In other words, the Yesha Council does not, under any  <br \/>circumstances, represent Yesha\u2019s citizens. They were  <br \/>not elected to do so, and their statements do not  <br \/>necessarily characterize Yesha community resident\u2019s  <br \/>opinions. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>That must be understood. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Getting to the heart of the matter, none of us favor  <br \/>violence. None of us believe in randomly striking  <br \/>anyone, shooting anyone, etc. Such behavior is illegal,  <br \/>immoral and unethical. However, it is just as illegal,  <br \/>immoral and unethical to evict people from their homes  <br \/>and from their land. It is even more illegal, immoral and  <br \/>unethical to not only abandon that land, but to \u2018transfer\u2019  <br \/>it to blood-sworn enemies, who have vowed to continue  <br \/>killing Jews until \u2018the occupation is ended.\u2019  <br \/>\u2018Occupation,\u2019 in their lexicon, meaning not only Hebron  <br \/>and Beit El, but also Tel Aviv and Haifa.  <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>It is also illegal, immoral and unethical for an elected  <br \/>leader to totally and unequivocally reverse essential  <br \/>positions which formed the basis of his election. It is  <br \/>also illegal, immoral and unethical for a leader to  <br \/>ignore and overlook a \u2018binding referendum,\u2019 which  <br \/>clearly rejected his stated, reversed policy. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>However, it is legal, moral and ethical to defend one\u2019s  <br \/>self, one\u2019s family, one\u2019s property, one&rsquo;s land. Anyone  <br \/>arriving to expel men, women and children from their  <br \/>homes must be willing to accept the consequences of  <br \/>their actions. People will not sit quietly by, as sheep  <br \/>being led to slaughter. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>According to latest reports, Sharon and his team of  <br \/>gangsters are again bypassing supposedly \u2018accepted  <br \/>decisions.\u2019 It is now reported that the attempted forced  <br \/>expulsion from Gush Katif will be concluded by the end  <br \/>of 2004, and not in September, 2005 as first expected.  <br \/>Sharon is getting worried that the right, in conjunction  <br \/>with own Likud party, will find a way to prevent the  <br \/>catastrophe, so he\u2019s planning on finishing it fast, before  <br \/>we can get too organized. Sharon is playing dirty,  <br \/>against the rules, while forcing us to \u2018keep our hands  <br \/>clean.\u2019 <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>I repeat (if I don\u2019t, I\u00a0also will find myself in jail), nobody  <br \/>likes violence. Nobody wants violence. Especially  <br \/>against our own brethren. But it\u2019s time to wake up. The  <br \/>reality is, if Sharon insists on trying to implement his  <br \/>\u2018Jewish transfer\u2019 from our homes and land, it\u2019s going to  <br \/>happen. Like it or not. And afterwards, when the  <br \/>Committee of Inquiry sits in judgment, ready to point its  <br \/>finger at the \u2018guilty party,\u2019 let it be known now, well in  <br \/>advance, where the responsibility lies &#8211; \u00a0just past the  <br \/>door to that office, in that big chair behind the big desk,  <br \/>directly with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.  <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>With blessings from Hebron. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/> The Sefer Torah Recycling  <br \/>Network <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Hachnasat Sefer Torah Party <br \/>Yishuv Shi-rat HaYam, Gush Katif; Announcement &amp;  <br \/>Transportation Arrangements. <br \/>The Sefer Torah Recycling Network invites everyone to  <br \/>a gala Hachnasat Sefer Torah Party on 1 July, 2004 at  <br \/>6:30 PM starting in Neve Dekalim and making it&rsquo;s way  <br \/>to Yishuv Shi-rat HaYam in Gush Katif, subject to  <br \/>security arrangements.\u00a0 The celebration will IY&rsquo;H begin  <br \/>in Neve Dekalim with residents dancing with the Sefer  <br \/>Torah along the road from Neve Dekalim to the  <br \/>entrance to Shi-rat HaYam, arriving atYishuv Shi-rat  <br \/>HaYam at about 7 PM where the main festivities will  <br \/>take place. <br \/>Autobus transportation, via reinforced, protected buses,  <br \/>will be leaving from Jacobs Pharmacy, located at  <br \/>Nachal Dolev #82 in Ramat Beit Shemesh \u00ab\u00a0Aleph\u00a0\u00bb with  <br \/>passengers boarding the buses at 4:15 PM and the  <br \/>buses leaving Promptly\u00a0 at 4:30 PM and going on to  <br \/>Gush Katif with ETA (estimated time of arrival) slated at  <br \/>close to 6:30 PM.  <br \/>From Jerusalem, Autobus transportation via a  <br \/>reinforced, protected bus with passengers boarding the  <br \/>bus at 4:15 PM and leaving from Binyanei Ha&rsquo;Uma  <br \/>Promptly at 4:30 PM and going on toGush Katif with  <br \/>ETA (estimated time of arrival) slated at close to 6:30  <br \/>PM. <\/p>\n<p>Transportation will be leaving Yishuv Shi-rat HaYam  <br \/>between\u00a0 8:30 and 9:00 PM\u00a0 for return to both Ramat  <br \/>Beit Shemesh and Binyanei Ha&rsquo;Uma in Jerusalem. <br \/>The cost per person will be 25 NIS for the roundtrip. <br \/>Following the dancing and ceremonial placement of the  <br \/>Sefer Torah in the Aron in the Beit Knesset,\u00a0 there will  <br \/>be a Seudas Mitzvah featuring speeches by Gush Katif  <br \/>Chief Rabbi, Rav Yigal Kaminetsky, Sh&rsquo;lita, as well as  <br \/>Rabbanim from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Moshe Burt,  <br \/>representatives of the local Mo&rsquo;etza and others. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>Please notify Moshe Burt   <br \/>or #011-972-54-7305497 of your intention to join us. <br \/>\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>Background on the Sefer Torah and it&rsquo;s Donor; <\/p>\n<p>Near the end of April, I was introduced to Mr. Mendel  <br \/>Stein who lives in Har Nof and who was interested in  <br \/>donating a Sefer Torah to a needy location. <\/p>\n<p>Mr. Stein is 82 years old and is a resident of Har Nof.\u00a0  <br \/>He and his wife made Aliyah 10 years ago, having lived  <br \/>in Brooklyn.\u00a0 Before making Aliyah, he set out to find  <br \/>donors of Sifrei Torah to bring over and came to Israel  <br \/>with 7 Sifrei Torah.\u00a0 Coincidently, 10 years ago I  <br \/>founded The Sefer Torah Recycling Network.\u00a0 It&rsquo;s a  <br \/>shame that we didn&rsquo;t know each other then.  <\/p>\n<p>Over the past 10 years, although neither of us knew of  <br \/>the other, both Mr. Stein and I have seperately seen to  <br \/>placing or facilitating placement of a number of Sifrei  <br \/>Torah in needy locations in Israel. The Sefer Torah  <br \/>Recycling Network has facilitated placement of 6  <br \/>S&rsquo;forim to date and the Sefer Torah which Mr. Stein is  <br \/>donating which will be placed in Shi-rat HaYam will be  <br \/>my 7th.  <\/p>\n<p>Previous to this Sefer Torah for Shi-rat HaYam, the  <br \/>most recent Sefer facilitated by The Sefer Torah  <br \/>Recycling Network was placed in Givat Nof Harim  <br \/>(Yishuv Eli) just before this past Pesach.  At that time, a  <br \/>group of Ramat Beit Shemesh residents accompanied  <br \/>the Sefer Torah to Givat Nof Harim on a chartered bus. <\/p>\n<p>Mr. Stein knows nothing of the history of the Sefer  <br \/>Torah or it&rsquo;s age.\u00a0 My Sofer, Rabbi Moshe Sandowski  <br \/>estimates that the Sefer is between 40-50 years old.\u00a0  <br \/>The Sefer is written in S&rsquo;fardi Vulise K&rsquo;sav. <\/p>\n<p>On 28 April, 2004, Mr. Stein transferred the Sefer Torah  <br \/>to me.\u00a0 On 2 May, 2004, I received word from my Sofer  <br \/>that the repairs to the Sefer Torah had commenced. <\/p>\n<p>About Yishuv Shi-rat HaYam; <\/p>\n<p>The community in Shi-rat HaYam is comprised of 15  <br \/>families, mainly young newly-married couples in their  <br \/>mid-20&rsquo;s.\u00a0 Most of the men learn each day in the  <br \/>twoYeshivot located in Neve Dekalim. <\/p>\n<p>On Friday, 28 May, 2004, I set out to spend Shabbos in  <br \/>Yishuv Shi-rat HaYam..  Upon my arrival in the early  <br \/>afternoon, I went to the beach and went into the sea up  <br \/>to my thighs.\u00a0 Afterwards, I found a shady place and a  <br \/>couch in back of one of their caravans.\u00a0 There I sat and  <br \/>learned, relaxed and watched the tide roll in until later  <br \/>in the afternoon. <\/p>\n<p>Tefillah on Friday night was most spirited, spiritual and  <br \/>enjoyable.\u00a0 During the Shabbos meals, my hosts were  <br \/>very warm and hospitable and I believe that our being  <br \/>together over Shabbos was very meaningful to all. <\/p>\n<p>The residents gave me some history of the Site where  <br \/>Shi-rat HaYam is situated and how they came to make  <br \/>their homes there. <br \/>\u00a0 <br \/>The Shi-rat HaYam site was, prior to the 6 Day War,  <br \/>summer vacation offices for the Egyptian Army.  As a  <br \/>result, there are a number of building shells which  <br \/>remain standing until today.\u00a0 The Yishuv would like to  <br \/>develop and renovate them into permanent dwellings  <br \/>and other infrastructure rather than living and praying in  <br \/>Caravanim.\u00a0 However, the government doesn&rsquo;t approve  <br \/>of such renovations. <\/p>\n<p>Young single people started coming and staying at the  <br \/>Shi-rat HaYam site a few years ago as a response to  <br \/>the terrorist attack which crippled the Cohen family  <br \/>children, as well as other such attacks.  I&rsquo;m not sure at  <br \/>what point Caravanim where brought there for these  <br \/>young people to love. <\/p>\n<p>Eventually, as many of the singles become married,  <br \/>they settled in the Caravanim in Shi-rat HaYam.\u00a0 Many  <br \/>of the couples now have children. <\/p>\n<p>The community often has guests for Shabbos and a  <br \/>wonderful time was had by all. <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0 <br \/>The Jewish Community of Hebron <br \/>POB 105 , Kiryat Arba-Hebron 90100   <br \/>\u00a0hebron@hebron.org.il   <br \/>Tour Hebron: Tel 972-64-371257 or  <br \/>write:\u00a0simcha@hebron.org.il  <br \/>The Hebron Fund <br \/>1760 Ocean Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11230 <br \/>hebronfund@aol.com\u00a0  <br \/>  718-677-6886   <br \/>Web: www.hebron.org.il Ma&rsquo;arat HaMachpela:  <br \/>www.machpela.com <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Albert (Albert)<\/b> le dimanche 20 juin 2004 &#8211; 16h59: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Culture PUB.. <br \/>SKETCH FETE DE LA MUSIC&#8230;AU PiTiBi&#8230;  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par Anonyme (Anonyme) le lundi 21 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h15: NOS KIFS Le kif c&rsquo;est apr\u00e8s un bon couscous fait avec amour de d\u00e9guster les amandes fraiches et de rire aux \u00e9clats en dig\u00e9rant avec la tante ou le fils qui fait son sketche. 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