{"id":37452,"date":"2026-10-03T03:32:53","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=37452"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:32:53","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:53","slug":"commentaires-de-juin-2004-archive-jusquau-25-juin-2004","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-de-juin-2004-archive-jusquau-25-juin-2004\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires de Juin 2004 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 25\/juin\/2004"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Roger_Chemouni (Roger_Chemouni)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h39: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  FILMS <\/p>\n<p>LE FILS D ELIAS  de Daniel Burman  <\/p>\n<p>                    Nous avions aim\u00e9 en 2002 \u00ab En attendant le messie \u00bb qui montrait la communaut\u00e9 juive argentine au travers l\u2019histoire d\u2019un groupe , d\u2019une communaut\u00e9 en r\u00e9volte contre leurs sorts net leurs vies. Ici c\u2019est aussi une communaut\u00e9 qui est observ\u00e9e dans un lieu clos parfois \u00e9touffant tant les personnages s\u2019exilent en plein air .Ce lieu est la galerie marchande du quartier juif de Buenos aires . Cette communaut\u00e9 contient  Ariel doux r\u00eaveur et narrateur  , sa m\u00e8re  Sonia  qui tient une boutique de lingerie depuis que son mari Elias est parti s\u2019installer en Isra\u00ebl, Osvaldo vendeur hypoth\u00e9tique qui ne vend plus rien , ces italiens  r\u00e9parateurs de radios et ces cor\u00e9ens exil\u00e9s pour raison d\u2019amour . que veut Elias cet \u00eatre instable qui se console  d\u2018une m\u00e8re trop pr\u00e9sente et d\u2019un p\u00e8re absent dans les bras de Rita une belle blonde g\u00e9rante d\u2019un cyber caf\u00e9. Elias d\u00e9sire un passeport \u00e9tranger, un travail \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tranger , le retour \u00e0 ses racines polonaises et de ce p\u00e8re \u00e9nigmatique qui les a abandonn\u00e9 . Son retour inopin\u00e9 va t-il  freiner la d\u00e9marche fr\u00e9n\u00e9tique  d\u2019 Elias qui traverse toujours rapidement la ville comme pour \u00e9chapper \u00e0 celle ci. <br \/>                     Daniel Burman signe son \u0153uvre la plus remarquable apr\u00e8s le d\u00e9cevant \u00ab Toutes les h\u00f4tesses vont au paradis \u00bb par un style vif tr\u00e8s nouvelle vague (cam\u00e9ra \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9paule, tournage dans la rue parmi la foule) un symbolisme appuy\u00e9 (cette communaut\u00e9 solidaire et en souffrance peut \u00eatre un microcosme de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 argentine) des th\u00e8mes d\u2019actualit\u00e9 (la recherche identitaire et celle du bonheur) par une interpr\u00e9tation homog\u00e8ne (De Daniel Hendler son interpr\u00e8te favori qui a obtenu comme le film lui m\u00eame l\u2019Ours d\u2019Argent \u00e0 Berlin) par sa narration (lev protagoniste pr\u00e9sente son entourage et le monde dans lequel il tente de vivre). Tous ces \u00e9l\u00e9ments en font un film pertinent et remarquable. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Maurice (Maurice)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 09h09: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  cher Hajklouf    je vous ai deja ecrit que que les yaoudi ont toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 appel\u00e9 par leur frere <br \/>musulmans frere de sang par Ismael avant meme  l&rsquo;arriv\u00e9e de  Mohamed \u00a0\u00bb Yaoudi \u00ab\u00a0cela venir Judee  comme le corse  meme a paris s&rsquo;appelle Corse  et il a le droit d&rsquo;y aller  en Corse quand il veut il pose des bombes quand on l&rsquo;ennuie.  Le Palestiniens   est un arabe venant donc d&rsquo;Arabie donc un colonisateur d&rsquo;Israel Le colonis\u00e9 pousse le colonisateur quand il peut  Reflechis  HADAK <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Cacouboulou (Cacouboulou)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 18h14: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Cacouboulou : Pour le Hajklouf. <\/p>\n<p>Mr Hajklouf, malgre ton clavier avec l\u2019accent que je n\u2019ai pas, tu ferais mieux de retourner a l\u2019ecole communale, pour apprendre a parler francais, car le charabia que tu nous injecte de derriere ton moucharabie, il nous casse les krarz ! <\/p>\n<p>Si tu veux, tu viens chez nous a Matmata, on va te matmater, &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..!, et <br \/>t\u2019apprendre a causer le bon Francais. <\/p>\n<p>Viens seulement, tous le monde t\u2019attends ! <\/p>\n<p>Signe : Cacouboulou Premier. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Nao (Nao)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 18h17: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Bravo a Mme Bayefsky qui n&rsquo;a pas mis de gant pour dire a l&rsquo;ONU en pleine face ce que nous avons tous sur le coeur. <\/p>\n<p>One Small Step <br \/>Is the U.N. finally ready to get serious about anti-Semitism? <br \/>BY ANNE BAYEFSKY <br \/>Monday, June 21, 2004 11:15 a.m. <\/p>\n<p>(Editor&rsquo;s note: Ms. Bayefsky delivered this speech at the U.N. at a conference on Confronting Anti-Semitism: Education for Tolerance and Understanding, sponsored by the United Nations Department of Information, <br \/>this morning.) <\/p>\n<p>I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you at this first U.N. conference on anti-Semitism, which is being convened six decades after the <br \/>organization&rsquo;s creation. My thanks to the U.N. organizers and in particular Shashi Tharoor [the undersecretary-general for communications and public information] for their initiative and to the secretary-general for his willingness to engage. <\/p>\n<p>This meeting occurs at a point when the relationship between Jews and the United Nations is at an all-time low. The U.N. took root in the ashes of the Jewish people, and according to its charter was to flower on the strength of a commitment to tolerance and equality for all men and women and of nations large and small. Today, however, the U.N. provides a platform for those who cast the victims of the Nazis as the Nazi counterparts of the 21st century. <\/p>\n<p>The U.N. has become the leading global purveyor of anti-Semitism&#8211;intolerance and inequality against the Jewish people and its state. <\/p>\n<p>Not only have many of the U.N. members most responsible for this state of affairs rendered their own countries Judenrein, they have succeeded in almost entirely expunging concern about Jew-hatred from the U.N. docket. <\/p>\n<p>From 1965, when anti-Semitism was deliberately excluded from a treaty on racial discrimination, to last fall, when a proposal for a General Assembly resolution on anti-Semitism was withdrawn after Ireland capitulated to Arab and Muslim opposition, mention of anti-Semitism has continually ground the wheels of U.N.-led multilateralism to a halt. <\/p>\n<p>There has never been a U.N. resolution specifically on anti-Semitism or a single report to a U.N. body dedicated to discrimination against Jews, in contrast to annual resolutions and reports focusing on the defamation of <br \/>Islam and discrimination against Muslims and Arabs. Instead there was Durban&#8211;the 2001 U.N. World Conference \u00ab\u00a0Against Racism,\u00a0\u00bb which was a <br \/>breeding ground and global soapbox for anti-Semites. When it was over U.N. <\/p>\n<p>officials and member states turned the Durban Declaration into the centerpiece of the U.N.&rsquo;s antiracism agenda&#8211;allowing Durban follow-up <br \/>resolutions to become a continuing battlefield over U.N. concern with anti-Semitism. <\/p>\n<p>Not atypical is the public dialogue in the U.N.&rsquo;s top human rights body&#8211;the <br \/>Commission on Human Rights&#8211;where this past April the Pakistani ambassador, speaking on behalf of the 56 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, unashamedly disputed that anti-Semitism was about Jews. <\/p>\n<p>For Jews, however, ignorance is not an option. Anti-Semitism is about intolerance and discrimination directed at Jews&#8211;both individually and collectively. It concerns both individual human rights and the group right <br \/>to self-determination&#8211;realized in the state of Israel. <\/p>\n<p>What does discrimination against the Jewish state mean? It means refusing to admit only Israel to the vital negotiating sessions of regional groups held daily during U.N. Commission on Human Rights meetings. It means devoting six of the 10 emergency sessions ever held by the General Assembly to Israel. It <br \/>means transforming the 10th emergency session into a permanent tribunal&#8211;which has now been reconvened 12 times since 1997. By contrast, no <br \/>emergency session was ever held on the Rwandan genocide, estimated to have killed a million people, or the ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands in the former Yugoslavia, or the death of millions over the past two decades of <br \/>atrocities in Sudan. That&rsquo;s discrimination. <\/p>\n<p>The record of the Secretariat is more of the same. In November 2003, Secretary-General Kofi Annan issued a report on Israel&rsquo;s security fence, <br \/>detailing the purported harm to Palestinians without describing one terrorist act against Israelis which preceded the fence&rsquo;s construction. <\/p>\n<p>Recently, the secretary-general strongly condemned Israel for destroying homes in southern Gaza without mentioning the arms-smuggling tunnels operating beneath them. When Israel successfully targeted Hamas terrorist  <br \/>Abdel Aziz Rantissi with no civilian casualties, the secretary-general denounced Israel for an \u00ab\u00a0extrajudicial\u00a0\u00bb killing. But when faced with the 2004 report of the U.N. special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions detailing the murder of more than 3,000 Brazilian civilians shot at close range by police, Mr. Annan chose silence. That&rsquo;s discrimination. <\/p>\n<p>At the U.N., the language of human rights is hijacked not only to discriminate but to demonize the Jewish target. More than one quarter of the resolutions condemning a state&rsquo;s human rights violations adopted by the commission over 40 years have been directed at Israel. But there has never been a single resolution about the decades-long repression of the civil and political rights of 1.3 billion people in China, or the million female migrant workers in Saudi Arabia kept as virtual slaves, or the virulent racism which has brought 600,000 people to the brink of starvation in Zimbabwe. Every year, U.N. bodies are required to produce at least 25 reports on alleged human rights violations by Israel, but not one on an  <br \/>Iranian criminal justice system which mandates punishments like crucifixion, stoning and cross-amputation of right hand and left foot. This is not legitimate critique of states with equal or worse human rights records. It is demonization of the Jewish state. <\/p>\n<p>As Israelis are demonized at the U.N., so Palestinians and their cause are deified. Every year the U.N. marks Nov. 29 as the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People&#8211;the day the U.N. partitioned the British Palestine mandate and which Arabs often style as the onset of al nakba or the \u00ab\u00a0catastrophe\u00a0\u00bb of the creation of the state of Israel. In 2002, <br \/>the anniversary of the vote that survivors of the concentration camps celebrated, was described by Secretary-General Annan as \u00ab\u00a0a day of mourning and a day of grief.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>In 2003 the representatives of over 100 member states stood along with the secretary-general, before a map predating the state of Israel, for a moment of silence \u00ab\u00a0for all those who had given their lives for the Palestinian people\u00a0\u00bb&#8211;which would include suicide bombers. Similarly, U.N. rapporteur John Dugard has described Palestinian terrorists as \u00ab\u00a0tough\u00a0\u00bb and their efforts as characterized by \u00ab\u00a0determination, daring, and success.\u00a0\u00bb A commission resolution for the past three years has legitimized the Palestinian use of \u00ab\u00a0all available means including armed struggle\u00a0\u00bb&#8211;an absolution for terrorist methods which would never be applied to the self-determination claims of Chechens or Basques. <\/p>\n<p>Although Palestinian self-determination is equally justified, the connection between demonizing Israelis and sanctifying Palestinians makes it clear that the core issue is not the stated cause of Palestinian suffering. For there <br \/>are no U.N. resolutions deploring the practice of encouraging Palestinian children to glorify and emulate suicide bombers, or the use of the <br \/>Palestinian population as human shields, or the refusal by the vast majority of Arab states to integrate Palestinian refugees into their societies and to offer them the benefits of citizenship. Palestinians are lionized at the <br \/>U.N. because they are the perceived antidote to what U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi called the great poison of the Middle East&#8211;the existence and <br \/>resilience of the Jewish state. <\/p>\n<p>Of course, anti-Semitism takes other forms at the U.N. Over the past decade at the commission, Syria announced that yeshivas train rabbis to instill racist hatred in their pupils. Palestinian representatives claimed that <\/p>\n<p>Israelis can happily celebrate religious holidays like Yom Kippur only by shedding Palestinian blood, and accused Israel of injecting 300 Palestinian children with HIV-positive blood. <\/p>\n<p>U.N.-led anti-Semitism moves from the demonization of Jews to the disqualification of Jewish victimhood: refusing to recognize Jewish <br \/>suffering by virtue of their ethnic and national identity. In 2003 a General Assembly resolution concerned with the welfare of Israeli children failed (though one on Palestinian children passed handily) because it proved impossible to gain enough support for the word Israeli appearing before the word children. The mandate of the U.N. special rapporteur on the \u00ab\u00a0Palestinian territories\u00a0\u00bb, set over a decade ago, is to investigate only \u00ab\u00a0Israel&rsquo;s violations of . . . international law\u00a0\u00bb and not to consider <br \/>human-rights violations by Palestinians in Israel. <br \/>It follows in U.N. logic that nonvictims aren&rsquo;t really supposed to fight back. One after another concrete Israeli response to terrorism is denounced by the secretary-general and member states as illegal. But killing members of the command-and-control structure of a terrorist organization, when there is no disproportionate use of force, and arrest is impossible, is not <br \/>illegal. Homes used by terrorists in the midst of combat are legitimate military targets. A nonviolent, temporary separation of parties to a <br \/>conflict on disputed territory by a security fence, which is sensitive to minimizing hardships, is a legitimate response to Israel&rsquo;s international legal obligations to protect its citizens from crimes against humanity. In <br \/>effect, the U.N. moves to pin the arms of Jewish targets behind their backs while the terrorists take aim. <\/p>\n<p>The U.N.&rsquo;s preferred imagery for this phenomenon is of a cycle of violence. <br \/>It is claimed that the cycle must be broken&#8211;every time Israelis raises a hand. But just as the symbol of the cycle is chosen because it has no beginning, it is devastating to the cause of peace because it denies the possibility of an end. The Nuremberg Tribunal taught us that crimes are not committed by abstract entities. <\/p>\n<p>The perpetrators of anti-Semitism today are the preachers in mosques who exhort their followers to blow up Jews. They are the authors of Palestinian Authority textbooks that teach a new generation to hate Jews and admire their killers. They are the television producers and official benefactors in authoritarian regimes like Syria or Egypt who manufacture and distribute programming that depicts Jews as bloodthirsty world conspirators. <\/p>\n<p>Listen, however, to the words of the secretary-general in response to two suicide bombings which took place in Jerusalem this year, killing 19 and wounding 110: \u00ab\u00a0Once again, violence and terror have claimed innocent lives in the Middle East. Once again, I condemn those who resort to such methods.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0The Secretary General condemns the suicide bombing Sunday in Jerusalem. The deliberate targeting of civilians is a heinous crime and cannot be justified by any cause.\u00a0\u00bb Refusing to name the perpetrators, Mr. Secretary-General, <br \/>Teflon terrorism, is a green light to strike again. <\/p>\n<p>Perhaps more than any other, the big lie that fuels anti-Semitism today is the U.N.-promoted claim that the root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict is the occupation of Palestinian land. According to U.N. revisionism, the occupation materialized in a vacuum. In reality, Israel occupies land taken in a war which was forced upon it by neighbors who sought to destroy it. It <br \/>is a state of occupation which Israelis themselves have repeatedly sought to end through negotiations over permanent borders. It is a state in which any abuses are closely monitored by Israel&rsquo;s independent judiciary. But <br \/>ultimately, it is a situation which is the responsibility of the rejectionists of Jewish self-determination among Palestinians and their Arab and Muslim brethren&#8211;who have rendered the Palestinian civilian population hostage to their violent and anti-Semitic ambitions. <\/p>\n<p>There are those who would still deny the existence of anti-Semitism at the U.N. by pointing to a range of motivations in U.N. corridors including commercial interests, regional politics, preventing scrutiny of human rights violations closer to home, or enhancement of individual careers. U.N. actors and supporters remain almost uniformly in denial of the nature of the pathogen coursing through these halls. They ignore the infection and applaud the host, forgetting that the cancer which kills the organism will take with it both the good and the bad. <\/p>\n<p>The relative distribution of naivet\u00e9, cowardice, opportunism, and anti-Semitism, however, matters little to Noam and Matan Ohayon, ages 4 and <br \/>5, shot to death through their mother&rsquo;s body in their home in northern Israel while she tried to shield them from a gunman of Yasser Arafat&rsquo;s <br \/>al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. The terrible consequences of these combined motivations mobilized and empowered within U.N. chambers are the same. <\/p>\n<p>The inability of the U.N. to confront the corruption of its agenda dooms this organization&rsquo;s success as an essential agent of equality or dignity or democratization. <\/p>\n<p>This conference may serve as a turning point. We will only know if concrete changes occur hereafter: a General Assembly resolution on anti-Semitism adopted, an annual report on anti-Semitism forthcoming, a focal point on anti-Semitism created, a rapporteur on anti-Semitism appointed. <\/p>\n<p>But I challenge the secretary-general and his organization to go further&#8211;if they are serious about eradicating anti-Semitism: <br \/>a.. Start putting a name to the terrorists that kill Jews because they are Jews. <br \/>b.. Start condemning human-rights violators wherever they dwell&#8211;even if they live in Riyadh or Damascus. <br \/>c.. Stop condemning the Jewish people for fighting back against their killers. <br \/>d.. And the next time someone asks you or your colleagues to stand for a moment of silence to honor those who would destroy the state of Israel, say no. <\/p>\n<p>Only then will the message be heard from these chambers that the U.N. will not tolerate anti-Semitism or its consequences against Jews and the Jewish people, whether its victims live in Tehran, Paris or Jerusalem. <\/p>\n<p>Ms. Bayefsky is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and an adjunct professor at Columbia University Law School. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Nao (Nao)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 18h23: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Un excellent article ou tout est dit.. <\/p>\n<p>HAIM HARARI, a theoretical physicist, is the Chair, Davidson Institute of Science <br \/>Education, and Former President, from 1988 to 2001, of the Weizmann Institute of Science. <\/p>\n<p>During his years as President of the Institute, it entered numerous new scientific fields and projects, built 47 new buildings, raised one Billion Dollars in philanthropic money, hired more than half of its current tenured Professors and became one of the highest royalty-earning academic organizations in the world. <br \/>Throughout all his adult life, he has made major contributions to three different fields: Particle Physics Research on the international scene, Science Education in the Israeli school system and Science Administration and Policy Making. <br \/>A View from the Eye of the Storm Talk delivered by Haim Harari at a meeting of the International Advisory Board of a large multi-national corporation, April, 2004. <\/p>\n<p>As you know, I usually provide the scientific and technological \u00ab\u00a0entertainment\u00a0\u00bb in our <br \/>meetings, but, on this occasion, our Chairman suggested that I present my own personal view on events in the part of the world from which I come. I have never been and I will never be a Government official and I have no privileged information.  <br \/>My perspective is entirely based on what I see, on what I read and on the fact that my family has lived in this region for almost 200 years. You may regard my views as those of the proverbial taxi driver, which you are supposed to question, when you visit a country. <\/p>\n<p>I could have shared with you some fascinating facts and some personal thoughts about the Israeli-Arab conflict. However, I will touch upon it only in passing. I prefer to devote most of my remarks to the broader picture of the region and its place in world events. I refer to the entire area between Pakistan and Morocco, which is predominantly Arab, predominantly Moslem, but includes many non-Arab and also <br \/>significant non-Moslem minorities. <\/p>\n<p>Why do I put aside Israel and its own immediate neighborhood? Because Israel and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central issue in the upheaval in the region. Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the main show is. The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel. The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is <br \/>massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel. The frequent <br \/>reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or <br \/>another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel. Saddam Hussein did not <br \/>invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of <br \/>Israel. Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60\u2019s because of Israel. <br \/>Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El <br \/>Hamma in Syria because of Israel. The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war <br \/>there had nothing to do with Israel. The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had <br \/>nothing to do with Israel, and I could go on and on and on. <br \/>The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any <br \/>standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the <br \/>Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years. The 22 <br \/>member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total <br \/>population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its <br \/>expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 <br \/>countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than <br \/>that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. <br \/>Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too <br \/>many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being <br \/>corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western <br \/>World 150 years ago. Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the <br \/>grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. <br \/>According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published <br \/>under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab <br \/>world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates. The total number of <br \/>scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis. Birth <br \/>rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the <br \/>cultural decline. And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was <br \/>3 <br \/>believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area, which <br \/>developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures in the world. <br \/>It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for cruel dictators, <br \/>terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders and general decline. It is also <br \/>a fact that almost everybody in the region blames this situation on the United States, <br \/>on Israel, on Western Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and <br \/>anything, except themselves. <br \/>Do I say all of this with the satisfaction of someone discussing the failings of his <br \/>enemies? On the contrary, I firmly believe that the world would have been a much <br \/>better place and my own neighborhood would have been much more pleasant and <br \/>peaceful, if things were different. <br \/>I should also say a word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are <br \/>either devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families. They <br \/>are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia and of their <br \/>own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally dysfunctional. The <br \/>problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part of the terror and <br \/>of the incitement but they also do not stand up against it. They become accomplices, <br \/>by omission, and this applies to political leaders, intellectuals, business people and <br \/>many others. Many of them can certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to <br \/>express their views. <br \/>The events of the last few years have amplified four issues, which have always <br \/>existed, but have never been as rampant as in the present upheaval in the region. <br \/>These are the four main pillars of the current World Conflict, or perhaps we should <br \/>already refer to it as \u00ab\u00a0the undeclared World War III\u00a0\u00bb. I have no better name for the <br \/>present situation. A few more years may pass before everybody acknowledges that it <br \/>is a World War, but we are already well into it. <br \/>The first element is the suicide murder. Suicide murders are not a new invention but <br \/>they have been made popular, if I may use this expression, only lately. Even after <br \/>September 11, it seems that most of the Western World does not yet understand this <br \/>weapon. It is a very potent psychological weapon. Its real direct impact is relatively <br \/>minor. The total number of casualties from hundreds of suicide murders within Israel <br \/>in the last three years is much smaller than those due to car accidents. September 11 <br \/>was quantitatively much less lethal than many earthquakes. More people die from <br \/>AIDS in one day in Africa than all the Russians who died in the hands of Chechnyabased <br \/>Moslem suicide murderers since that conflict started. Saddam killed every <br \/>month more people than all those who died from suicide murders since the Coalition <br \/>occupation of Iraq. <br \/>So what is all the fuss about suicide killings? It creates headlines. It is spectacular. It <br \/>is frightening. It is a very cruel death with bodies dismembered and horrible severe <br \/>lifelong injuries to many of the wounded. It is always shown on television in great <br \/>4 <br \/>detail. One such murder, with the help of hysterical media coverage, can destroy the <br \/>tourism industry of a country for quite a while, as it did in Bali and in Turkey. <br \/>But the real fear comes from the undisputed fact that no defense and no preventive <br \/>measures can succeed against a determined suicide murderer. This has not yet <br \/>penetrated the thinking of the Western World. The U.S. and Europe are constantly <br \/>improving their defense against the last murder, not the next one. We may arrange <br \/>for the best airport security in the world. But if you want to murder by suicide, you do <br \/>not have to board a plane in order to explode yourself and kill many people. Who <br \/>could stop a suicide murder in the midst of the crowded line waiting to be checked by <br \/>the airport metal detector? How about the lines to the check-in counters in a busy <br \/>travel period? Put a metal detector in front of every train station in Spain and the <br \/>terrorists will get the buses. Protect the buses and they will explode in movie theaters, <br \/>concert halls, supermarkets, shopping malls, schools and hospitals. Put guards in front <br \/>of every concert hall and there will always be a line of people to be checked by the <br \/>guards and this line will be the target, not to speak of killing the guards themselves. <br \/>You can somewhat reduce your vulnerability by preventive and defensive measures <br \/>and by strict border controls but not eliminate it and definitely not win the war in a <br \/>defensive way. And it is a war! <br \/>What is behind the suicide murders? Money, power and cold-blooded murderous <br \/>incitement, nothing else. It has nothing to do with true fanatic religious beliefs. No <br \/>Moslem preacher has ever blown himself up. No son of an Arab politician or religious <br \/>leader has ever blown himself. No relative of anyone influential has done it. Wouldn\u2019t <br \/>you expect some of the religious leaders to do it themselves, or to talk their sons into <br \/>doing it, if this is truly a supreme act of religious fervor? Aren\u2019t they interested in the <br \/>benefits of going to Heaven? Instead, they send outcast women, na\u00efve children, <br \/>retarded people and young incited hotheads. They promise them the delights, mostly <br \/>sexual, of the next world, and pay their families handsomely after the supreme act is <br \/>performed and enough innocent people are dead. <br \/>Suicide murders also have nothing to do with poverty and despair. The poorest region <br \/>in the world, by far, is Africa. It never happens there. There are numerous desperate <br \/>people in the world, in different cultures, countries and continents. Desperation does <br \/>not provide anyone with explosives, reconnaissance and transportation. There was <br \/>certainly more despair in Saddam\u2019s Iraq then in Paul Bremmer\u2019s Iraq, and no one <br \/>exploded himself. A suicide murder is simply a horrible, vicious weapon of cruel, <br \/>inhuman, cynical, well-funded terrorists, with no regard to human life, including the <br \/>life of their fellow countrymen, but with very high regard to their own affluent wellbeing <br \/>and their hunger for power. <br \/>The only way to fight this new \u201cpopular\u201d weapon is identical to the only way in which <br \/>you fight organized crime or pirates on the high seas: the offensive way. Like in the <br \/>case of organized crime, it is crucial that the forces on the offensive be united and it is <br \/>crucial to reach the top of the crime pyramid. You cannot eliminate organized crime by <br \/>5 <br \/>arresting the little drug dealer in the street corner. You must go after the head of the <br \/>\u00ab\u00a0Family\u00a0\u00bb. <br \/>If part of the public supports it, others tolerate it, many are afraid of it and some try <br \/>to explain it away by poverty or by a miserable childhood, organized crime will thrive <br \/>and so will terrorism. The United States understands this now, after September 11. <br \/>Russia is beginning to understand it. Turkey understands it well. I am very much <br \/>afraid that most of Europe still does not understand it. Unfortunately, it seems that <br \/>Europe will understand it only after suicide murders will arrive in Europe in a big way. <br \/>In my humble opinion, this will definitely happen. The Spanish trains and the Istanbul <br \/>bombings are only the beginning. The unity of the Civilized World in fighting this <br \/>horror is absolutely indispensable. Until Europe wakes up, this unity will not be <br \/>achieved. <br \/>The second ingredient is words, more precisely lies. Words can be lethal. They kill <br \/>people. It is often said that politicians, diplomats and perhaps also lawyers and <br \/>business people must sometimes lie, as part of their professional life. But the norms of <br \/>politics and diplomacy are childish, in comparison with the level of incitement and total <br \/>absolute deliberate fabrications, which have reached new heights in the region we are <br \/>talking about. An incredible number of people in the Arab world believe that <br \/>September 11 never happened, or was an American provocation or, even better, a <br \/>Jewish plot. <br \/>You all remember the Iraqi Minister of Information, Mr. Mouhamad Said al-Sahaf and <br \/>his press conferences when the US forces were already inside Baghdad. <br \/>Disinformation at time of war is an accepted tactic. But to stand, day after day, and to <br \/>make such preposterous statements, known to everybody to be lies, without even <br \/>being ridiculed in your own milieu, can only happen in this region. Mr. Sahaf <br \/>eventually became a popular icon as a court jester, but this did not stop some <br \/>allegedly respectable newspapers from giving him equal time. It also does not prevent <br \/>the Western press from giving credence, every day, even now, to similar liars. After <br \/>all, if you want to be an antisemite, there are subtle ways of doing it. You do not have <br \/>to claim that the holocaust never happened and that the Jewish temple in Jerusalem <br \/>never existed. But millions of Moslems are told by their leaders that this is the case. <br \/>When these same leaders make other statements, the Western media report them as <br \/>if they could be true. <br \/>It is a daily occurrence that the same people, who finance, arm and dispatch suicide <br \/>murderers, condemn the act in English in front of western TV cameras, talking to a <br \/>world audience, which even partly believes them. It is a daily routine to hear the same <br \/>leader making opposite statements in Arabic to his people and in English to the rest of <br \/>the world. Incitement by Arab TV, accompanied by horror pictures of mutilated <br \/>bodies, has become a powerful weapon of those who lie, distort and want to destroy <br \/>everything. Little children are raised on deep hatred and on admiration of so-called <br \/>6 <br \/>martyrs, and the Western World does not notice it because its own TV sets are mostly <br \/>tuned to soap operas and game shows. I recommend to you, even though most of <br \/>you do not understand Arabic, to watch Al Jazeera, from time to time. You will not <br \/>believe your own eyes. <br \/>But words also work in other ways, more subtle. A demonstration in Berlin, carrying <br \/>banners supporting Saddam\u2019s regime and featuring three-year old babies dressed as <br \/>suicide murderers, is defined by the press and by political leaders as a \u201cpeace <br \/>demonstration\u201d. You may support or oppose the Iraq war, but to refer to fans of <br \/>Saddam, Arafat or Bin Laden as peace activists is a bit too much. A woman walks into <br \/>an Israeli restaurant in mid-day, eats, observes families with old people and children <br \/>eating their lunch in the adjacent tables and pays the bill. She then blows herself up, <br \/>killing 20 people, including many children, with heads and arms rolling around in the <br \/>restaurant. She is called \u201cmartyr\u201d by several Arab leaders and \u201cactivist\u201d by the <br \/>European press. Dignitaries condemn the act but visit her bereaved family and the <br \/>money flows. <br \/>There is a new game in town: The actual murderer is called \u201cthe military wing\u201d, the <br \/>one who pays him, equips him and sends him is now called \u201cthe political wing\u201d and <br \/>the head of the operation is called the \u201cspiritual leader\u201d. There are numerous other <br \/>examples of such Orwellian nomenclature, used every day not only by terror chiefs <br \/>but also by Western media. These words are much more dangerous than many people <br \/>realize. They provide an emotional infrastructure for atrocities. It was Joseph Goebels <br \/>who said that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. He is now being <br \/>outperformed by his successors. <br \/>The third aspect is money. Huge amounts of money, which could have solved many <br \/>social problems in this dysfunctional part of the world, are channeled into three <br \/>concentric spheres supporting death and murder. In the inner circle are the terrorists <br \/>themselves. The money funds their travel, explosives, hideouts and permanent search <br \/>for soft vulnerable targets. They are surrounded by a second wider circle of direct <br \/>supporters, planners, commanders, preachers, all of whom make a living, usually a <br \/>very comfortable living, by serving as terror infrastructure. Finally, we find the third <br \/>circle of so-called religious, educational and welfare organizations, which actually do <br \/>some good, feed the hungry and provide some schooling, but brainwash a new <br \/>generation with hatred, lies and ignorance. This circle operates mostly through <br \/>mosques, madrasas and other religious establishments but also through inciting <br \/>electronic and printed media. It is this circle that makes sure that women remain <br \/>inferior, that democracy is unthinkable and that exposure to the outside world is <br \/>minimal. It is also that circle that leads the way in blaming everybody outside the <br \/>Moslem world, for the miseries of the region. <br \/>Figuratively speaking, this outer circle is the guardian, which makes sure that the <br \/>people look and listen inwards to the inner circle of terror and incitement, rather than <br \/>to the world outside. Some parts of this same outer circle actually operate as a result <br \/>7 <br \/>of fear from, or blackmail by, the inner circles. The horrifying added factor is the high <br \/>birth rate. Half of the population of the Arab world is under the age of 20, the most <br \/>receptive age to incitement, guaranteeing two more generations of blind hatred. <br \/>Of the three circles described above, the inner circles are primarily financed by <br \/>terrorist states like Iran and Syria, until recently also by Iraq and Libya and earlier also <br \/>by some of the Communist regimes. These states, as well as the Palestinian Authority, <br \/>are the safe havens of the wholesale murder vendors. The outer circle is largely <br \/>financed by Saudi Arabia, but also by donations from certain Moslem communities in <br \/>the United States and Europe and, to a smaller extent, by donations of European <br \/>Governments to various NGO&rsquo;s and by certain United Nations organizations, whose <br \/>goals may be noble, but they are infested and exploited by agents of the outer circle. <br \/>The Saudi regime, of course, will be the next victim of major terror, when the inner <br \/>circle will explode into the outer circle. The Saudis are beginning to understand it, but <br \/>they fight the inner circles, while still financing the infrastructure at the outer circle. <br \/>Some of the leaders of these various circles live very comfortably on their loot. You <br \/>meet their children in the best private schools in Europe, not in the training camps of <br \/>suicide murderers. The Jihad \u00ab\u00a0soldiers\u00a0\u00bb join packaged death tours to Iraq and other <br \/>hotspots, while some of their leaders ski in Switzerland. Mrs. Arafat, who lives in Paris <br \/>with her daughter, receives tens of thousands Dollars per month from the allegedly <br \/>bankrupt Palestinian Authority while a typical local ringleader of the Al-Aksa brigade, <br \/>reporting to Arafat, receives only a cash payment of a couple of hundred dollars, for <br \/>performing murders at the retail level. <br \/>The fourth element of the current world conflict is the total breaking of all laws. The <br \/>civilized world believes in democracy, the rule of law, including international law, <br \/>human rights, free speech and free press, among other liberties. There are na\u00efve oldfashioned <br \/>habits such as respecting religious sites and symbols, not using ambulances <br \/>and hospitals for acts of war, avoiding the mutilation of dead bodies and not using <br \/>children as human shields or human bombs. Never in history, not even in the Nazi <br \/>period, was there such total disregard of all of the above as we observe now. Every <br \/>student of political science debates how you prevent an anti-democratic force from <br \/>winning a democratic election and abolishing democracy. Other aspects of a civilized <br \/>society must also have limitations. Can a policeman open fire on someone trying to kill <br \/>him? Can a government listen to phone conversations of terrorists and drug dealers? <br \/>Does free speech protects you when you shout \u201cfire\u201d in a crowded theater? Should <br \/>there be death penalty, for deliberate multiple murders? These are the old-fashioned <br \/>dilemmas. But now we have an entire new set. <br \/>Do you raid a mosque, which serves as a terrorist ammunition storage? Do you return <br \/>fire, if you are attacked from a hospital? Do you storm a church taken over by <br \/>terrorists who took the priests hostages? Do you search every ambulance after a few <br \/>suicide murderers use ambulances to reach their targets? Do you strip every woman <br \/>because one pretended to be pregnant and carried a suicide bomb on her belly? Do <br \/>8 <br \/>you shoot back at someone trying to kill you, standing deliberately behind a group of <br \/>children? Do you raid terrorist headquarters, hidden in a mental hospital? Do you <br \/>shoot an arch-murderer who deliberately moves from one location to another, always <br \/>surrounded by children? All of these happen daily in Iraq and in the Palestinian areas. <br \/>What do you do? Well, you do not want to face the dilemma. But it cannot be <br \/>avoided. <br \/>Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that someone would openly stay in a well-known <br \/>address in Teheran, hosted by the Iranian Government and financed by it, executing <br \/>one atrocity after another in Spain or in France, killing hundreds of innocent people, <br \/>accepting responsibility for the crimes, promising in public TV interviews to do more of <br \/>the same, while the Government of Iran issues public condemnations of his acts but <br \/>continues to host him, invite him to official functions and treat him as a great <br \/>dignitary. I leave it to you as homework to figure out what Spain or France would <br \/>have done, in such a situation. <br \/>The problem is that the civilized world is still having illusions about the rule of law in a <br \/>totally lawless environment. It is trying to play ice hockey by sending a ballerina iceskater <br \/>into the rink or to knock out a heavyweight boxer by a chess player. In the <br \/>same way that no country has a law against cannibals eating its prime minister, <br \/>because such an act is unthinkable, international law does not address killers shooting <br \/>from hospitals, mosques and ambulances, while being protected by their Government <br \/>or society. International law does not know how to handle someone who sends <br \/>children to throw stones, stands behind them and shoots with immunity and cannot be <br \/>arrested because he is sheltered by a Government. International law does not know <br \/>how to deal with a leader of murderers who is royally and comfortably hosted by a <br \/>country, which pretends to condemn his acts or just claims to be too weak to arrest <br \/>him. The amazing thing is that all of these crooks demand protection under <br \/>international law and define all those who attack them as war criminals, with some <br \/>Western media repeating the allegations. The good news is that all of this is <br \/>temporary, because the evolution of international law has always adapted itself to <br \/>reality. The punishment for suicide murder should be death or arrest before the <br \/>murder, not during and not after. After every world war, the rules of international law <br \/>have changed and the same will happen after the present one. But during the twilight <br \/>zone, a lot of harm can be done. <br \/>The picture I described here is not pretty. What can we do about it? In the short run, <br \/>only fight and win. In the long run \u2013 only educate the next generation and open it to <br \/>the world. The inner circles can and must be destroyed by force. The outer circle <br \/>cannot be eliminated by force. Here we need financial starvation of the organizing <br \/>elite, more power to women, more education, counter propaganda, boycott whenever <br \/>feasible and access to Western media, internet and the international scene. Above all, <br \/>we need a total absolute unity and determination of the civilized world against all <br \/>three circles of evil. <br \/>9 <br \/>Allow me, for a moment, to depart from my alleged role as a taxi driver and return to <br \/>science. When you have a malignant tumor, you may remove the tumor itself <br \/>surgically. You may also starve it by preventing new blood from reaching it from other <br \/>parts of the body, thereby preventing new \u00ab\u00a0supplies\u00a0\u00bb from expanding the tumor. If <br \/>you want to be sure, it is best to do both. <br \/>But before you fight and win, by force or otherwise, you have to realize that you are <br \/>in a war, and this may take Europe a few more years. In order to win, it is necessary <br \/>to first eliminate the terrorist regimes, so that no Government in the world will serve <br \/>as a safe haven for these people. I do not want to comment here on whether the <br \/>American-led attack on Iraq was justified from the point of view of weapons of mass <br \/>destruction or any other pre-war argument, but I can look at the post-war map of <br \/>Western Asia. Now that Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are out, two and a half terrorist <br \/>states remain: Iran, Syria and Lebanon, the latter being a Syrian colony. Perhaps <br \/>Sudan should be added to the list. As a result of the conquest of Afghanistan and <br \/>Iraq, both Iran and Syria are now totally surrounded by territories unfriendly to them. <br \/>Iran is encircled by Afghanistan, by the Gulf States, Iraq and the Moslem republics of <br \/>the former Soviet Union. Syria is surrounded by Turkey, Iraq, Jordan and Israel. This <br \/>is a significant strategic change and it applies strong pressure on the terrorist <br \/>countries. It is not surprising that Iran is so active in trying to incite a Shiite uprising in <br \/>Iraq. I do not know if the American plan was actually to encircle both Iran and Syria, <br \/>but that is the resulting situation. <br \/>In my humble opinion, the number one danger to the world today is Iran and its <br \/>regime. It definitely has ambitions to rule vast areas and to expand in all directions. It <br \/>has an ideology, which claims supremacy over Western culture. It is ruthless. It has <br \/>proven that it can execute elaborate terrorist acts without leaving too many traces, <br \/>using Iranian Embassies. It is clearly trying to develop Nuclear Weapons. Its so-called <br \/>moderates and conservatives play their own virtuoso version of the \u201cgood-cop versus <br \/>bad-cop\u201d game. Iran sponsors Syrian terrorism, it is certainly behind much of the <br \/>action in Iraq, it is fully funding the Hizbulla and, through it, the Palestinian Hamas <br \/>and Islamic Jihad, it performed acts of terror at least in Europe and in South America <br \/>and probably also in Uzbekhistan and Saudi Arabia and it truly leads a multi-national <br \/>terror consortium, which includes, as minor players, Syria, Lebanon and certain Shiite <br \/>elements in Iraq. Nevertheless, most European countries still trade with Iran, try to <br \/>appease it and refuse to read the clear signals. <br \/>In order to win the war it is also necessary to dry the financial resources of the terror <br \/>conglomerate. It is pointless to try to understand the subtle differences between the <br \/>Sunni terror of Al Qaida and Hamas and the Shiite terror of Hizbulla, Sadr and other <br \/>Iranian inspired enterprises. When it serves their business needs, all of them <br \/>collaborate beautifully. <br \/>It is crucial to stop Saudi and other financial support of the outer circle, which is the <br \/>fertile breeding ground of terror. It is important to monitor all donations from the <br \/>10 <br \/>Western World to Islamic organizations, to monitor the finances of international relief <br \/>organizations and to react with forceful economic measures to any small sign of <br \/>financial aid to any of the three circles of terrorism. It is also important to act <br \/>decisively against the campaign of lies and fabrications and to monitor those Western <br \/>media who collaborate with it out of naivety, financial interests or ignorance. <br \/>Above all, never surrender to terror. No one will ever know whether the recent <br \/>elections in Spain would have yielded a different result, if not for the train bombings a <br \/>few days earlier. But it really does not matter. What matters is that the terrorists <br \/>believe that they caused the result and that they won by driving Spain out of Iraq. <br \/>The Spanish story will surely end up being extremely costly to other European <br \/>countries, including France, who is now expelling inciting preachers and forbidding <br \/>veils and including others who sent troops to Iraq. In the long run, Spain itself will pay <br \/>even more. <br \/>Is the solution a democratic Arab world? If by democracy we mean free elections but <br \/>also free press, free speech, a functioning judicial system, civil liberties, equality to <br \/>women, free international travel, exposure to international media and ideas, laws <br \/>against racial incitement and against defamation, and avoidance of lawless behavior <br \/>regarding hospitals, places of worship and children, then yes, democracy is the <br \/>solution. If democracy is just free elections, it is likely that the most fanatic regime will <br \/>be elected, the one whose incitement and fabrications are the most inflammatory. We <br \/>have seen it already in Algeria and, to a certain extent, in Turkey. It will happen <br \/>again, if the ground is not prepared very carefully. On the other hand, a certain <br \/>transition democracy, as in Jordan, may be a better temporary solution, paving the <br \/>way for the real thing, perhaps in the same way that an immediate sudden democracy <br \/>did not work in Russia and would not have worked in China. <br \/>I have no doubt that the civilized world will prevail. But the longer it takes us to <br \/>understand the new landscape of this war, the more costly and painful the victory will <br \/>be. Europe, more than any other region, is the key. Its understandable recoil from <br \/>wars, following the horrors of World War II, may cost thousands of additional innocent <br \/>lives, before the tide will turn. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Nao (Nao)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 18h35: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Hakjlouf, les arabes sont les seuls responsables de leurs malheurs mais c&rsquo;est tellement plus facile de blamer Israel et les Juifs, le monde occidental, les chretiens et j&rsquo;en passe&#8230;.  <br \/>L&rsquo;irresponsabilite du monde arabe, c&rsquo;est de ne pas reconnaitre leur propre part de responsabilite dans leur situation actuelle.  <br \/>Dans ce sens, Lire l&rsquo;article d&rsquo;Harari.  <br \/>Il est temps que vous deveniez des Hommes et des Adultes!!! <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Djlachem (Djlachem)<\/b> le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 01h46: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Le \u00ab\u00a0grand\u00a0\u00bb Hajklouf a dit: <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0alors c&rsquo;est la peuple israelien qui a tort. bein non &#8230;(en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 je ne vois pas pourquoi il n&rsquo;a pas tord mais je suis s\u00fbr que dans ce site il y a des gens qui ont les possiblit\u00e9s de me trouver milles raisons ) )\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Bein oui&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>En voil\u00e0 une par exemple: si les arabes avaient respect\u00e9 la r\u00e9solution 181 du plan de partage de 1947, Isra\u00ebl serait 3 fois plus petit qu&rsquo;aujourd&rsquo;hui, la r\u00e9gion serait prosp\u00e8re et pacifi\u00e9e depuis 56 ans, et les pays arabes alentour auraient certainement b\u00e9n\u00e9fici\u00e9 de la coop\u00e9ration avec Isra\u00ebl. <\/p>\n<p>Au lieu de cela, vous avez choisi la guerre, ne pouvant supporter l&rsquo;ind\u00e9pendance triomphante de vos anciens dhimmis. Et apr\u00e8s avoir perdu toutes vos guerres &#8211; y compris d&rsquo;ailleurs la 2e Intifada qui est en train de s&rsquo;achever \u00ab\u00a0en douceur\u00a0\u00bb dans un flop total -, vous vous \u00e9tonnez qu&rsquo;apr\u00e8s ces d\u00e9faites, vous n&rsquo;ayez plus, \u00e0 l&rsquo;arriv\u00e9e, ce que vous aviez au d\u00e9part. <\/p>\n<p>Tu vois, Hajklouf, je me mettrai jamais \u00e0 une table de poker avec toi. Les mauvais perdants, je pr\u00e9f\u00e8re les \u00e9viter. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 22h13: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Albert, c&rsquo;est gentil  d&rsquo;intervenir en ma faveur. <br \/>En tunisien on dit; \u00ab\u00a0BAED MA CHAB HAZOUHOU  LELKOTAB\u00a0\u00bb (Apr\u00e8s  qu\u2019il a vieilli on l\u2019a emmen\u00e9 au Cotab) Tu veux que Hajklouf apprenne le respect? Il ne sais m\u00eame pas \u00e9crire mon nom. <\/p>\n<p>Quant \u00e0 Hajklouf Oui monsieur Hajklouf,si m\u00eame vous auriez \u00e9t\u00e9 un juif, j&rsquo;aurai r\u00e9agi de la m\u00eame fa\u00e7on.  En simple langage je n&rsquo;ai pas l&rsquo;envie de lire la presse israelienne encore une fois, \u00e0 travers la Tunisie car je la lis en directe. <br \/>Hajklouf vous n&rsquo;avez encore pas compris que pour moi, que vous soyez Juif ou Musulman c&rsquo;est Kif Kif. Quand je suis \u00e0 Tunis je ne vais pas critiquer qui que ce soit.  Car je connais la r\u00e8gle de la politesse.  Le proverbe arabe dit:  \u00ab\u00a0Eli Ja El Darek Houa Akber Men Bouk\u00a0\u00bb (Celui qui vient chez toi m\u00e9rite plus de respect que ton p\u00e8re.)Mais malgr\u00e9 tout puisque vous \u00eates venu dans notre site on vous doit tous nos respects. <\/p>\n<p>Il faut que vous saisissiez une fois pour toutes que nous les Juifs aimons Israel tel qu&rsquo;il est et on s&rsquo;en fou des critiques des personnes comme vous, nous avons assez d&rsquo;ennemis, donc il est logique que je fasse confiance \u00e0 mon peuple et pas \u00e0 vous. <\/p>\n<p>Avez-vous quelque chose d&rsquo;int\u00e9ressant \u00e0 nous communiquer autres que les probl\u00e8mes palestiniens.  Et sachez bien que je ne peux pas avoir piti\u00e9 des personnes qui pr\u00e9f\u00e8rent la mort \u00e0 la vie. S&rsquo;il y a des Arabes honn\u00eates et qui aiment la vie, ils deviennent automatiquement mes amis. Mon conseil, profitez de l\u2019acc\u00e8s que vous avez dans le site Harissa pour enrichir vos connaissances au lieu de chercher \u00e0 cr\u00e9er des pol\u00e9miques et perdre votre temps et celui des autres.  Je vous donne encore un gentil proverbe tunisien: \u00ab\u00a0Oucan Fatek Leklam Qoul Efhemt.\u00a0\u00bb( Si tu as rater les paroles dit j&rsquo;ai compri.)  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Albert (Albert)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 20h57: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> CHANSON POUR JACO ET RAPHO&#8230;.. <\/p>\n<p>&lsquo;&#8230;Dans le silence&#8230;.De mes vieilles ann\u00e9EEEEEEEes..\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Remonte l&rsquo;\u00e9cho telle une vague agit\u00e9eEEEEEE..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Mon \u00e2ge,  mes vingt ans passes..\u00a7\u00a7. <br \/>Sous le reflet de ma jeunesse&#8230;.InsoucianteEE&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>En ce temps l\u00e0&#8230;Je nageais et je &lsquo;volley&#8230;&rsquo;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>Que ma m\u00e9moire&#8230;.S&rsquo;aventureEEE&#8230;..Aux confins&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>De mes beaux printemps&#8230;.\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7&#8230;..Que j&rsquo;ai bouff\u00e9 sans fin&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Qui donc me rappelle&#8230;.Mes images, visages et mes jasmiIIIIIns..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Dans mes airs d&rsquo;autrefois que je nomme &#8230;PARFUMSSSSSS&#8230;..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>Dans le silence&#8230;..De mes vieilles ann\u00e9es..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>R\u00e9sonne l&rsquo;\u00e9cho&#8230;De mes bruits passes&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Et ce beau temps&#8230;Qui s&rsquo;est arr\u00eat\u00e9EEEE..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7&#8230; <br \/>Depuis que ma jeunesse&#8230;A sombr\u00e9..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Dans son ab\u00eeme&#8230;..SANS BOUEEEEE&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>Dans le silence&#8230;&#8230;..De mes vieilles anNNN\u00e8esss..\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>J&rsquo;entends l&rsquo;\u00e9cho&#8230;&#8230;..Des rires enchant\u00e9s..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>De mes camarades, mes amis d&rsquo;ETEEEEE&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Sur mes plages de &#8230;MON PAYS ENSOLEILLE..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>O\u00f9 sont donc passes mes 20 Ans..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Ils survivent dans le silenEEEce AAAAssaisonn\u00e9&#8230;&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Par mes reliques tr\u00e9passEES..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Et dans ma m\u00e9moire  chancelante&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Leur \u00e9cho dispara\u00eet lentement&#8230;.\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>Lorsque le silence&#8230;..Aura eu raison &#8230;&#8230;.De mon \u00e9cho&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Du peu qui me reste, ces petits restes de mon egoOOOOOOO..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Dans ma m\u00e9moire, ils s&rsquo;engloutiront dans le noir&#8230;.. <br \/>Sans peine, ni tristesse avec mon terroir..Dans mon tiroirRRR..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>aLORSSSSSSSS&#8230; Que ceux l\u00e0 viennent&#8230; <br \/>Affam\u00e9s et pas repus&#8230;&#8230;.Ces petits vers luisants&#8230;\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Qui vont se gaver de mon corps dormant <br \/>Sous la vo\u00fbte c\u00e9leste, marbre sur mon front..\u00a7\u00a7 <\/p>\n<p>Je viens vous direEEEE..\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7&#8230;Bien&#8230;avant, <br \/>Que cette belle vie est sans souci et sans ennui <br \/>N&rsquo;est en fait qu&rsquo;une grosse pute dont en a TOUJOURS ENVIEEEEEEEEEE! <\/p>\n<p>Arrivera la morrRRRt&#8230;&#8230;.Qui me surprendrAAA.\u00a7\u00a7\u00a7 <br \/>Sur mon lit de souvenirs, mais qui donc dira&#8230;&#8230;.. <br \/>Il est parti, le vieil enfant D&rsquo;Adra&#8230; <br \/>PAR TRES HEUREUX, ses larmes s\u00e9ch\u00e9es sur ses joues.. <br \/>LE MALHEUREUX&#8230;&#8230;.. <\/p>\n<p>Paroles d&rsquo;ALBERT <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Albert (Albert)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 20h33: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  HAJKLOUF   Serais- tu l&rsquo;avocat du DIABLE et de ses sbires..???? <br \/>Respecte Emile aussi&#8230;S&rsquo;il te plait&#8230;!  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Albert (Albert)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 20h19: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Billet de L&rsquo;Agence SHARON\/BREITOUNA TRIC TRACLTD <\/p>\n<p>La plupart d&rsquo;entre vous connaissent ma l\u00e9g\u00e8ret\u00e9 d&rsquo;esprit, il en faut parfois et je suis sur \u00e0 100% qu&rsquo;il vaut mieux fr\u00e9quenter un khfif qu&rsquo;un balourd, \u00e7a je le sais et je sais m\u00eame que vous attendez 20 heures pour lire les \u00e9lucubrations d&rsquo;Albert, mes analyses s\u00e8rieuses qui le sont m\u00eame si Henri R.M met ce mot entre guillemets.Lui, il est sorti depuis longtemps des parenth\u00e8ses gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 son Alya.  <\/p>\n<p>Comme j&rsquo;ai presque toujours quelque chose \u00e0 dire et que je ne vous cache rien, sur la t\u00eate de Fritn\u00e8 laziza, et bien le moment est arriv\u00e9 pour vous d\u00e9voiler qu&rsquo;il y a bien longtemps ( Tais toi la DOUDA) j&rsquo;ai fais partie de l&rsquo;\u00e9quipage de la CALYPSO   CHA CHA avec le costaud Cousteau Z&rsquo;AL. J&rsquo;\u00e9tais son premier scaphandre juste derri\u00e8re son fils . (Tawfik si tu ris j&rsquo;arr\u00eate ma narration et je te laisse M\u00e2\u00e2lak(suspendu) . Voil\u00e0, ben j&rsquo;avais une d\u00e9couverte extraordinaire \u00e0 100 000  lieux sous les mers. Une esp\u00e8ce que je croyais a jamais disparu et bien non , mes amis, les fonds des mers rec\u00e8lent, bande d&rsquo;ignorants, macaques et incultes que vous \u00eates tous et sauf  toi L&rsquo; Emile ( bech en nmout bel dahq)  une minuscule amide que j&rsquo;ai nomm\u00e9 LA ROC ACARIDIENNE! C&rsquo;est mon droit de nommer mes esp\u00e8ces. J&rsquo;ai pu donc apr\u00e8s moult pr\u00e9cautions l&rsquo;analyser au microscope cellulaire. J&rsquo;y ai constater \u00e0 ma grande surprise un \u00e9tat d&rsquo;indigence d&rsquo;esprit envelopp\u00e9 dans une sorte de crasse merdique qui vous on dit long sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tat de d\u00e9labrement de cet esp\u00e8ce ROCARIDIENNEen voie de disparition car j&rsquo;ai beau encore fouill\u00e9 les ab\u00eemes oc\u00e9anes  et je n&rsquo;ai pas trouv\u00e9 un clown de jardin de mer , pardon un clone comme lui, car ce genre de sp\u00e9cimen ne se reproduit pas ais\u00e9ment   et ne se clonent pas, cela me g\u00eane de vous le dire c&rsquo;est une question de g\u00eanes. Donc , elle est en voie de disparition et c&rsquo;est tant mieux, elle  ne laissera m\u00eame pas une tra\u00eene noire dans mon aquarium.  <\/p>\n<p>Vous avez compris de quelle esp\u00e8ce je veux parler &#8230;.?  De cette&rsquo;apostrophe&rsquo;au  rictus insipide  qui porte un costume court, presque toujours gris et dont \u00e0 l&rsquo;impression que ce n&rsquo;est pas lui qui trottine sur les trottoirs de Paris mais plut\u00f4t son costume sombre. Alors, il pourra dire ce qu&rsquo;il veut, d&rsquo;autres l&rsquo;ont fait avant lui, Isra\u00ebl et nous tous, nous ne l&rsquo;absoudrons  pas.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>A_Soued (A_Soued)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 20h11: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  LE BOUC \u00c9MISSAIRE <\/p>\n<p>Ou \u00ab\u00a0la violence et le sacr\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Pour tester la d\u00e9votion d&rsquo;Abraham, D. lui ordonne le sacrifice de son fils unique. Ob\u00e9issant, Abraham se rend sur le lieu du sacrifice, mais le r\u00e9cit biblique pr\u00e9cise qu&rsquo;un ange intervient pour arr\u00eater son geste et un b\u00e9lier, emp\u00eatr\u00e9 dans un buisson voisin, sera sacrifi\u00e9 \u00e0 la place du jeune Isaac. On vient de remplacer le sacrifice d&rsquo;un homme par celui d&rsquo;un animal. <\/p>\n<p>Dans \u00ab\u00a0La Violence et le Sacr\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb (1972), Ren\u00e9 Girard explique comment le sacrifice d&rsquo;un animal permet d&rsquo;apaiser symboliquement des pulsions agressives. Par le subterfuge de la substitution d&rsquo;un animal \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00eatre humain vis\u00e9, les membres de la communaut\u00e9 sont pr\u00e9serv\u00e9s&#8230; <br \/>Dans les litanies religieuses antiques, le sacrifice \u00e9tait destin\u00e9 soit \u00e0 tester le d\u00e9vouement des croyants, soit \u00e0 calmer la col\u00e8re de(s) dieu(x). En fait, le sacrifice est une affaire humaine, et, au del\u00e0 des litanies, il est dans la logique libidinale des pulsions.  <\/p>\n<p>Le sacrifice apaise les pulsions agressives des hommes.   <\/p>\n<p>Ren\u00e9 Girard se demande ce qui a pu inciter les hommes \u00e0 tuer leur semblable, non pas dans un geste brutal et irr\u00e9fl\u00e9chi, mais dans une pouss\u00e9e de vie consciente, cr\u00e9atrice de formes culturelles, se transmettant de g\u00e9n\u00e9ration en g\u00e9n\u00e9ration sous forme d&rsquo;un rite cod\u00e9. Le risque mena\u00e7ant toute soci\u00e9t\u00e9 est la violence r\u00e9ciproque, le cycle des violences priv\u00e9es qui engendrent des vengeances incessantes. Le rite sacrificiel serait la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition d\u2019un premier lynchage spontan\u00e9 qui ram\u00e8ne l\u2019ordre au sein d&rsquo;une                           communaut\u00e9.  Dans ce lynchage, la violence de tous contre tous se r\u00e9sout dans la violence de tous contre un. Apais\u00e9e par cet exutoire, la collectivit\u00e9 se reforme, unie autour de la victime sacrifi\u00e9e. Une solidarit\u00e9 s&rsquo;\u00e9tablit ainsi dans le crime.  <\/p>\n<p>Le rite sacrificiel est donc une violence ponctuelle et l\u00e9gale dont la fonction est d\u2019op\u00e9rer une lib\u00e9ration salutaire des pulsions agressives sur une victime somme toute indiff\u00e9rente \u00e0 la communaut\u00e9, parce que marginale. <\/p>\n<p>Ren\u00e9 Girard pr\u00e9cise les conditions sociales qui \u00ab\u00a0pr\u00e9disposeraient\u00a0\u00bb un individu \u00e0 servir de bouc \u00e9missaire \u00e0 la vindicte populaire, un prisonnier de guerre, un esclave, un enfant informe (ex. \u0152dipe a les pieds enfl\u00e9s), un roi parce qu\u2019il \u00e9chappe \u00e0 la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 par le haut ou un mendiant parce qu&rsquo;il \u00e9chappe \u00e0 la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 par le bas.  <\/p>\n<p>Girard rappelle qu\u2019Ath\u00e8nes entretenait elle-m\u00eame quelques malheureux qu&rsquo;elle pouvait sacrifier, quand les tensions sociales renaissaient, par exemple lors d\u2019une calamit\u00e9 collective (\u00e9pid\u00e9mie, famine, invasion). C\u2019est la pratique du \u00ab\u00a0Pharmakos\u00a0\u00bb, \u00e0 la fois poison et rem\u00e8de.  <\/p>\n<p>Consid\u00e9rant le sacrifice comme une affaire humaine, Ren\u00e9 Girard est amen\u00e9 \u00e0 interpr\u00e9ter le mythe d&rsquo;Oedipe en des termes purement humains. \u0152dipe est un bouc \u00e9missaire parmi d&rsquo;autres. L&rsquo;\u00e9tranger lib\u00e9rateur de Th\u00e8bes subit un revirement d\u2019affection de la part de son peuple lorsque la peste s\u2019abat sur la ville. Il est victime d\u2019une mystification galopante et des rumeurs courent sur son compte, le parricide, l\u2019inceste; mais ce ne sont que des fabulations, des pr\u00e9textes pour exposer le roi \u00e0 la vindicte populaire. Pour Ren\u00e9 Girard, chaque fois que nous rappelons ce mythe, nous devenons les t\u00e9moins et les complices d\u2019un lynchage collectif&#8230; Contrairement \u00e0 \u0152dipe, Job a su r\u00e9sister aux boniments de ses amis et ne s&rsquo;est pas retrouv\u00e9 comme \u00ab\u00a0victime expiatoire consentante\u00a0\u00bb, r\u00e9cup\u00e9rant ce qu&rsquo;il avait perdu. <\/p>\n<p>Ceci est l\u2019occasion pour Ren\u00e9 Girard de revenir sur les pratiques polici\u00e8res et en particulier sur toutes les man\u0153uvres pour obtenir des aveux spontan\u00e9s, l&rsquo;adh\u00e9sion de l&rsquo;accus\u00e9 au processus qui l&rsquo;\u00e9limine, donnant par lui-m\u00eame la preuve de sa culpabilit\u00e9. Ren\u00e9 Girard souligne que cette volont\u00e9 de produire des victimes consentantes caract\u00e9rise autant les syst\u00e8mes totalitaires modernes que des proc\u00e9dures judiciaires des inquisiteurs du moyen \u00e2ge.  <\/p>\n<p>Le sacrifice humain est rest\u00e9 dans l&rsquo;inconscient collectif et de temps \u00e0 autre un d\u00e9cha\u00eenement cruel se produit \u00e7\u00e0 ou l\u00e0 et qui ne peut \u00eatre expliqu\u00e9 que par le ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne d&rsquo;expiation apaisante et primitive d\u00e9crit par Girard. <\/p>\n<p>La hommes de la Bible ont cherch\u00e9 \u00e0 interdire le sacrifice humain et ils ont propos\u00e9 la substitution d&rsquo;un animal, comme le b\u00e9lier dans la \u00ab\u00a0ligature d&rsquo;Isaac\u00a0\u00bb par Abraham. <\/p>\n<p>Dans la tradition du L\u00e9vitique (L\u00e9v 16\/8 \u00e0 26), deux boucs sont tir\u00e9s au sort: un bouc est offert \u00e0 l&rsquo;Eternel en sacrifice expiatoire; l&rsquo;autre, vivant, est envoy\u00e9 dans le d\u00e9sert. Il re\u00e7oit sur sa t\u00eate toutes les iniquit\u00e9s, les offenses et les p\u00e9ch\u00e9s du peuple. Il est expuls\u00e9 avec le mal hors de la communaut\u00e9, l&#8217;emportant avec lui vers A&rsquo;zazel. Sur le plan \u00e9sot\u00e9rique, il faut donner \u00ab\u00a0sa part\u00a0\u00bb \u00e0 Satan pour l&rsquo;occuper. <\/p>\n<p>Le sacrifice du premier bouc est destin\u00e9 \u00e0 calmer la col\u00e8re divine. En r\u00e9alit\u00e9, il apaise les pulsions agressives des hommes. Le bouc expiatoire transforme la force brutale de l&rsquo;homme en faiblesse, au sens de mansu\u00e9tude. \u00c0 l&rsquo;inverse, le bouc \u00e9missaire d\u00e9barrasse les hommes de leurs \u00ab\u00a0faiblesses\u00a0\u00bb dues au mal pour lib\u00e9rer les forces du bien afin qu&rsquo;elles puissent agir. Envoy\u00e9 dans le d\u00e9sert, il va occuper A&rsquo;zazel. \u00c0 travers les deux boucs, il y a une transmutation entre rigueur et mis\u00e9ricorde, entre faiblesse due au mal et force du bien, dans le but de trouver la voie de l&rsquo;\u00e9quilibre, celle du milieu. <\/p>\n<p>On peut mettre en parall\u00e8le l&rsquo;antis\u00e9mitisme moderne occidental et la menace islamiste diffuse qui menace le monde. Il faut donner au \u00ab\u00a0monstre latent\u00a0\u00bb une nourriture, le peuple juif, parce que diff\u00e9rent; d&rsquo;o\u00f9 une complicit\u00e9 passive dans le meurtre du millier d&rsquo;Isra\u00e9liens innocents par bombes humaines islamiques interpos\u00e9es, ou par lynchage, par d\u00e9capitation, ou par sacrifice rituel, en tranchant la gorge avec un couteau aiguis\u00e9. L\u00e0 il s&rsquo;agit du bouc \u00e9missaire. Du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de ceux qui tuent, il n&rsquo;y a aucun myst\u00e8re, leur acte proc\u00e8de du sacrifice, ils se sacrifient en sacrifiant les autres, afin de retrouver la voie du paradis. Ils sont les victimes d&rsquo;un lavage de cerveau totalitaire. Nous sommes encore dans la p\u00e9riode pr\u00e9-abrahamique du sacrifice humain. <\/p>\n<p>Albert Soued, www.chez.com\/soued , le site des symboles et des r\u00eaves <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Hajklouf (Hajklouf)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 15h50: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  REPONSE A EMILE TUBIANE <\/p>\n<p>cher, EMILE depuis quand publier un article de la presse israelienne est devenu un crime. au nom de dieu si j&rsquo;etais juif aurait tu repondu avec cet accent? <\/p>\n<p>j&rsquo;ai publi\u00e9 cet article parceque j&rsquo;ai trouv\u00e9 qu&rsquo;il excelent il essaie de sensibiliser les gens sur le malheur des enfants qu&rsquo;ils soit juifs ou palestiniens et \u00e7a c&rsquo;est plutot rare dans a presse arabe et israelienne <\/p>\n<p>pour ce que t&rsquo;as dit:\u00a0\u00bbQue les parents palestiniens arr\u00eatent d&rsquo;envoyer leur enfants confronter les soldats\u00a0\u00bb. <br \/>c&rsquo;est dr\u00f4le !! toujours ce sont les palestiniens qui ont tord. m\u00eame quand ce sont des enfants qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 tu\u00e9 ce sont les palestiniens qui ont tord ! et bein y&rsquo;a t-il autre chose. c&rsquo;est \u00e9tonnant comment vous voyez les choses. <\/p>\n<p>mais combien d&rsquo;enfants palestiniens qui a des parents encore vivants? et combien ont ils de maisons ?  et tu crois que l&rsquo;armee israelienne previent les familles par email pour qu&rsquo;ils se protegent ? et tu crois que quand un avion lache une bonbe il laisse le temps de rentrer chez sois ?  et tu crois que quand un village est attaqu\u00e9 on a le temps de se rassembler et de voir chaqu&rsquo;un ou il est? et tu et tu  <\/p>\n<p>au nom de dieu! au moins apres que leurs enfants ont ete tue , laisser leurs familles tranquille. c&rsquo;est pas trops j&rsquo;espere. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Hajklouf (Hajklouf)<\/b> le jeudi 24 juin 2004 &#8211; 16h19: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  dans le dernier book de CLINTON \u00ab\u00a0my life\u00a0\u00bb <br \/>clinton avoue qu&rsquo;il a faillit a trouve un accord israelopalestinien.  <\/p>\n<p>mais Mr CLINTON C EST PAS VOTRE FAUTE, parce que t&rsquo;as bien pouss\u00e9 barak et arafat a leurs limites. arafat n&rsquo;acceptera jamais moins. israel n&rsquo;acceptera jamais moins. <\/p>\n<p>c&rsquo;est la faute de barak alors. bein non parce que si on fait un sondage en israel \u00ab\u00a0pensez vous que barak aurait du c\u00e9d\u00e9 plus (il propos\u00e9 de d\u00e9m\u00e9nt\u00e9l\u00e9 20 pourcents des colonie en cijordanie) ?\u00a0\u00bb la majorit\u00e9 ecrassante aurait dit non il ne doit pas c\u00e9d\u00e9 plus. <\/p>\n<p>c&rsquo;est la faute de arafat alors. bein non parce que si on fait un sondage dans les territoires \u00ab\u00a0pensez vous que arafat aurait du c\u00e9d\u00e9 plus (il propos\u00e9 limite de 67) ?\u00a0\u00bb la majorit\u00e9 ecrassante aurait r\u00e9pondu non, on n&rsquo;acceptera jamais moins que les limites de 67. disons tout le monde dira \u00e7a a part une centaine. <\/p>\n<p>alors c&rsquo;est le peuple palestinien qui a tort. bein non puisque c&rsquo;est bel est bien son droit. il est bien not\u00e9 dans la loi 2.4.2 <\/p>\n<p>alors c&rsquo;est la peuple israelien qui a tort. bein non &#8230;(en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 je ne vois pas pourquoi il n&rsquo;a pas tord mais je suis s\u00fbr que dans ce site il y a des gens qui ont les possiblit\u00e9s de me trouver milles raisons <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\":)\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/clipart\/happy.gif\"\/>) ) <\/p>\n<p>bein alors c&rsquo;est la faute de qui! celle du destin? cela aurait pu \u00eatre \u00e9vit\u00e9  cela aurait pu \u00eatre \u00e9vit\u00e9 &#8230;.. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par Roger_Chemouni (Roger_Chemouni) le vendredi 25 juin 2004 &#8211; 19h39: FILMS LE FILS D ELIAS de Daniel Burman Nous avions aim\u00e9 en 2002 \u00ab En attendant le messie \u00bb qui montrait la communaut\u00e9 juive argentine au travers l\u2019histoire d\u2019un groupe , d\u2019une communaut\u00e9 en r\u00e9volte contre leurs sorts net leurs vies. 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