{"id":37538,"date":"2026-10-03T03:32:58","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=37538"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:32:58","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:32:58","slug":"commentaires-daout-2004-archive-jusquau-23-aout-2004-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-daout-2004-archive-jusquau-23-aout-2004-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires d&rsquo;Aout 2004 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 23\/ao\u00fbt\/2004-2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 17h59: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Bekhor, Quant au proverbe que tu donnes, je m&rsquo;excuse de te corriger on dit:  L&rsquo;OUCAN KHOU YENFA&rsquo;A  KHOU LAHAD MAYEBKI ALA BOUH (Si un frere secourait son frere personne n&rsquo;aurait pleurer son pere. <\/p>\n<p>Ce proverbe a ete affiche plusieurs fois par moi meme. <br \/>Bonne semaine. <br \/>khouk  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Braham (Braham)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 16h56: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Voici le texte qui devait venir avant la photo publiee tout a l&rsquo;heure. <\/p>\n<p>La Synagogue Antique de Hammam Lif <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- <\/p>\n<p>Parmi les t\u00e9moignages de la pr\u00e9sence Juive en Tunisie antique je voudrai dire quelques mots sur la synagogue de Hammam Lif (Naro). Elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9couverte au d\u00e9but du Protectorat (en 1883). On la situe \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque byzantine (VI e si\u00e8cle). <\/p>\n<p>Il nous reste une douzaine de panneaux de mosa\u00efques de cette synagogue qui se trouvent au Brooklyn  Mus\u00e9um \u00e0 New York. Trois autres mosa\u00efques se trouvent au Mus\u00e9e du Bardo \u00e0 Tunis, elles contiennent des inscriptions en Latin. Deux contiennent le mot SYNAGOGA et une autre indique l\u2019endroit o\u00f9 on pose les \u2018livres sacr\u00e9s\u2019 (Heikhal).  <\/p>\n<p>De l\u2019importance du lieu on peut lire dans les premiers rapports (1910) : \u00ab les chambres qui \u00e9taient pav\u00e9es de mosa\u00efques et 13 autres chambres de cet \u00e9difice qui devait \u00eatre assez vaste. \u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Une \u00e9tude de cette synagogue a \u00e9t\u00e9 pr\u00e9sent\u00e9e au Colloque de Bath sur l\u2019Etude de la Mosa\u00efque Antique par Dr Jean-Pierre Darmon, que je salue ici. Il est n\u00e9, a \u00e9tudi\u00e9 et enseign\u00e9 quelques ann\u00e9es \u00e0 l\u2019Universit\u00e9 de Tunis dans les ann\u00e9es 60\u2019s. Il a pr\u00e9sid\u00e9 jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 l\u2019ann\u00e9e pass\u00e9e l\u2019AIEMA (Association Internationale pour l\u2019Etude de la Mosa\u00efque Antique, dont je suis membre depuis plus de vingt ans) \u00e0 Paris. <\/p>\n<p>Je joins ici la photo de 2 de ces panneaux et quelques lignes prises du texte de sa conf\u00e9rence donn\u00e9e \u00e0 Bath, Grande Bretagne en 1987, o\u00f9 il se pr\u00e9sente d\u2019ailleurs comme \u2018fils du pays\u2019. <\/p>\n<p>Sur une des photos on voit la Menora. <\/p>\n<p>Je joins aussi le site qui r\u00e9sume le CV de J-P Darmon  ainsi que celui de l\u2019AIEMA o\u00f9 l\u2019on trouvera, peut \u00eatre, d\u2019autres r\u00e9f\u00e9rences sur la Synagogue de Hammam Lif et des mosa\u00efques de Tunisie. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.archeo.ens.fr\/aiema\/CVJPdarmon.html\">http:\/\/www.archeo.ens.fr\/aiema\/CVJPdarmon.html<\/a> <br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.archeo.ens.fr\/aiema\/Aiema\/aiemaengl.html\">http:\/\/www.archeo.ens.fr\/aiema\/Aiema\/aiemaengl.html<\/a> <\/p>\n<p>En cas d\u2019insucc\u00e8s, je me ferai un plaisir d\u2019envoyer, perso par Email, \u00e0 quiconque le d\u00e9sire, d\u2019autres photos ou chapitres de cette conf\u00e9rence,  pris sur ma copie du livre de ce Colloque. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Meyer (Meyer)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 16h55: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.admirabledesign.com\/article.php3?id_article=589\">http:\/\/www.admirabledesign.com\/article.php3?id_article=589<\/a> <\/p>\n<p> \u00ab Celui qui ignore le pass\u00e9 est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 le revivre \u00bb  <br \/>C\u2019est ce que pronostiquait le c\u00e9l\u00e8bre historien Marc Bloch.  <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/perso.club-internet.fr\/cborzeix\/Hommage\/Oradour.htm\">http:\/\/perso.club-internet.fr\/cborzeix\/Hommage\/Oradour.htm<\/a> <br \/>\u00ab\u00a0Quiconque oublie son pass\u00e9 est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 le revivre\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; Primo L\u00e9vi <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/atheisme.free.fr\/Biographies\/Marx.htm\">http:\/\/atheisme.free.fr\/Biographies\/Marx.htm<\/a> <br \/>\u00ab\u00a0Celui qui ne conna\u00eet pas l&rsquo;histoire est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 la revivre.\u00a0\u00bb <br \/>Karl Marx (1818 \u2013 1883)  <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sartec.qc.ca\/info\/article5.htm\">http:\/\/www.sartec.qc.ca\/info\/article5.htm<\/a> <br \/>\u00ab Celui qui ne conna\u00eet pas l\u2019histoire est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 la revivre \u00bb   <\/p>\n<p>Karl Marx   <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/members.tripod.com\/fha29\/preambule.htm\">http:\/\/members.tripod.com\/fha29\/preambule.htm<\/a>#PREAMBULE <br \/>\u00ab CELUI QUI OUBLIE SON PASSE EST CONDAMNE A LE REVIVRE \u00bb. Sir Winston Churchill. <\/p>\n<p>A suivre&#8230;.. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Braham (Braham)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 15h22: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> D::<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"D:hammamLif.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/11117.jpg\"\/>hammamLif.jpg <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Douda (Douda)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 13h56: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  La Douda : ( Hak El Ouet International Tracking Station )  <\/p>\n<p>Le Ftileur : \u201c Celui qui ignore son pass\u00e9, est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 le revivre \u201c <\/p>\n<p>Ch\u00e8re Madame Charlotte, c\u2019est de Gandhi ! Elle fut reprise en Fran\u00e7ais dans le texte \u00e0 la suite du G\u00e9nocide du Ruanda. <\/p>\n<p>Wnessou El Douda <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 13h54: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Cher Emile, <\/p>\n<p>Hier j&rsquo;ai entendu l&rsquo;expression \u00ab\u00a0LOUKEN KHOU IKHAB KHOU ECHKOUN YEBKI ALE BOU\u00a0\u00bb.que j&rsquo;avais d\u00e9ja entendu par ailleurs. <\/p>\n<p>Si je traduis cette phrase elle dit \u00ab\u00a0SI UN FRERE AIMERAIT SON FRERE, QUI EST CE QUI PLEURERAIS SUR SON PERE\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Connais tu la signification de ce proverbe? <br \/>Est ce que les mots sont justes? <\/p>\n<p>Merci de m&rsquo;eclairer.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>A_Soued (A_Soued)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 09h33: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> ISMA\u00cbL \u00c9TAIT UN ARCHER \u00c9M\u00c9RITE <\/p>\n<p>Par Albert Soued, www.chez.com\/soued &#8211; Le 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 <\/p>\n<p>Dans son dernier livre \u00ab\u00a0Origines\u00a0\u00bb qui est une autobiographie de sa famille, Amin Maalouf reproduit les propos suivants de son grand p\u00e8re Botros, instituteur et po\u00e8te: <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Beyrouth 1923 \u2013  <\/p>\n<p>Je suis las, las de d\u00e9crire l&rsquo;\u00e9tat de nos pays d&rsquo;Orient, <\/p>\n<p>Remplacez \u00ab\u00a0pays\u00a0\u00bb par \u00ab\u00a0calamit\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Remplacez \u00ab\u00a0Orient par \u00ab\u00a0mal\u00e9diction\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Vous aurez une id\u00e9e de ce que je cherche \u00e0 dire\u00a0\u00bb <br \/>(extrait d&rsquo;une lettre \u00e9crite par Botros \u00e0 un cousin, le docteur Choukri \u2013 p 397) <\/p>\n<p>Le 17 ao\u00fbt 2004, je lis dans le Figaro la d\u00e9p\u00eache suivante: \u00ab\u00a0Les \u00e9conomies des pays arabes sont les seules au monde \u00e0 r\u00e9gresser\u00a0\u00bb a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 l&rsquo;administrateur du Programme de l&rsquo;ONU pour le d\u00e9veloppement (Pnud), Mark Malloch Brown, en visite au Liban, dans une interview publi\u00e9e samedi par le quotidien Libanais an-Nahar. Mr Malloch Brown a appel\u00e9 les pays arabes \u00e0 l&rsquo;ouverture et \u00e0 engager des r\u00e9formes s&rsquo;ils veulent stopper cette r\u00e9gression. Il a estim\u00e9 que la r\u00e9forme du monde arabe doit venir de l&rsquo;int\u00e9rieur des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s arabes et ne peut \u00eatre impos\u00e9e de l&rsquo;ext\u00e9rieur. Il a estim\u00e9 que les r\u00e9formes prioritaires concernaient \u00ab\u00a0le statut de la femme, les r\u00e9gimes politiques et le droit au savoir\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>Exc\u00e9d\u00e9e par son comportement d\u00e9linquant, Sarah, la femme d&rsquo;Abraham demande \u00e0 son mari d&rsquo;\u00e9loigner Isma\u00ebl, le fils d&rsquo;Agar, de son fils Isaac. Gen\u00e8se 21\/9-10: \u00ab\u00a0Sarah vit le fils d&rsquo;Agar l&rsquo;Egyptienne, que celle-ci a enfant\u00e9 \u00e0 Abraham, se livrer \u00e0 des railleries; et elle dit \u00e0 Abraham \u00ab\u00a0renvoie cette esclave et son fils\u00a0\u00bb\u2026\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>Agar partit avec son fils Isma\u00ebl \u00e0 Gaza qui \u00e9tait un territoire sous autorit\u00e9 pharaonique. <\/p>\n<p>L\u00e0, Isma\u00ebl grandit, devint un archer \u00e9m\u00e9rite et forma m\u00eame une troupe d&rsquo;archers. Gen\u00e8se 21\/20: \u00ab\u00a0Dieu fut avec cet enfant et il grandit, demeurant dans le d\u00e9sert, et il forma une troupe d&rsquo;archers.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Cela fait plusieurs ann\u00e9es que les Palestiniens de Gaza n&rsquo;arr\u00eatent pas de lancer sur les implantations juives de Gaza des fus\u00e9es artisanales dont la pr\u00e9cision et la port\u00e9e augmente tous les jours et qui infligent aux Isra\u00e9liens des pertes souvent mat\u00e9rielles, mais rarement humaines. Ces missiles ont atteint cet \u00e9t\u00e9 le territoire isra\u00e9lien, notamment la ville de Sd\u00e9rot o\u00f9 nombre d&rsquo;habitants ont \u00e9t\u00e9 bless\u00e9s et traumatis\u00e9s. <\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;arm\u00e9e isra\u00e9lienne d\u00e9truit tous les jours les fabriques de \u00ab\u00a0Kassam\u00a0\u00bb et de mortiers et elle est constamment \u00e0 la chasse de missiles plus sophistiqu\u00e9s, import\u00e9s \u00e0 travers des tunnels traversant la fronti\u00e8re \u00e9gyptienne. \u00c0 la fronti\u00e8re Nord du pays, install\u00e9 au Sud du Liban dans la zone lib\u00e9r\u00e9e par les Isra\u00e9liens en 2000, le H&rsquo;ezbollah pointe ses dizaines de milliers de missiles sur les villes isra\u00e9liennes. Mais le danger le plus s\u00e9rieux provient d&rsquo;un pays non arabe, dirig\u00e9 par des extr\u00e9mistes islamiques, l&rsquo;Iran. Ce pays qui n&rsquo;a aucun litige avec l&rsquo;\u00e9tat d&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl, consacre ses ressources \u00e0 fabriquer des missiles sophistiqu\u00e9s (Shehab 3) dont la port\u00e9e permet d&rsquo;atteindre tout Isra\u00ebl, missiles qui pourront porter des charges nucl\u00e9aires. De m\u00eame l&rsquo;Iran, qui fait partie de \u00ab\u00a0l&rsquo;axe du mal\u00a0\u00bb d\u00e9fini par le pr\u00e9sident Bush, pr\u00e9voit de devenir une puissance nucl\u00e9aire dans 3 ans, dans un but h\u00e9g\u00e9monique. <\/p>\n<p>Le quotidien kowe\u00eftien Al-Siyassa a r\u00e9cemment rapport\u00e9 que l\u2019Iran a livr\u00e9 220 missiles d&rsquo;une port\u00e9e de 350 km au H&rsquo;ezbollah au Liban, en passant par la Syrie et que l\u2019Iran et la Syrie coop\u00e9raient \u00e9troitement au d\u00e9veloppement et au d\u00e9ploiement de ces missiles. <\/p>\n<p>Il n&rsquo;y a aucun motif objectif de conflit entre Isra\u00ebl et l&rsquo;Iran ou le H&rsquo;ezbollah, si ce n&rsquo;est la haine anti-isra\u00e9lienne et l&rsquo;antis\u00e9mitisme; les m\u00eames sentiments qui s\u00e9vissent dans certains milieux musulmans d&rsquo;Europe et notamment en France. Une explication donn\u00e9e serait la jalousie\u2026Jaloux de l&rsquo;\u00e9mergence d&rsquo;Isaac, Isma\u00ebl \u00e9tait devenu un archer \u00e9m\u00e9rite. Est-ce cette m\u00eame obsession qui emp\u00eache les pays arabes et islamiques d&rsquo;\u00e9voluer et de progresser, en dehors des fl\u00e8ches, des fus\u00e9es et des missiles ? <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Mailroom (Mailroom)<\/b> le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 09h42: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  HENRI BELLICHA <\/p>\n<p>Il s&rsquo;appelait Isaac comme mon p\u00e8re, je m&rsquo;appelle Hannah comme sa m\u00e8re, Henri Bellicha et moi vivions ensemble depuis 31 ans. Henri \u00e9tait un homme intelligent, cultiv\u00e9 dont le coeur d\u00e9bordait d&rsquo;amour, amour qu&rsquo;il m&rsquo;a montr\u00e9 \u00e0 chaque heure de sa vie, amour que je lui rendais bien. J&rsquo;\u00e9tais si contente qu&rsquo;il vous ait rencontr\u00e9s, vous amis harissiens \u00e0 qui il \u00e9tait si heureux de pouvoir parler de son cher pays. Son plaisir \u00e9tait si grand quand il pouvait <br \/>transmettre un peu de son savoir, de sa sagesse. Il aimait les enfants, nous les appelions \u00ab\u00a0les nains\u00a0\u00bb, ils \u00e9taient tr\u00e8s nombreux auxquels il apprenait \u00e0 d\u00e9couper des cow- boys ou des indiens dans du carton, ou \u00e0 colorier des dessins qu&rsquo;il faisait pour eux, et si les parents avait internet alors il leur adressait des B.D. qu&rsquo;il faisait pour eux. Les a\u00een\u00e9s de ses nains d&rsquo;autrefois portaient en pleurant son cercueil, dernier hommage d&rsquo;amour \u00e0 celui qui leur en avait tant donn\u00e9.  <br \/>Merci \u00e0 vous tous qui nous avez envoy\u00e9 tant de messages de r\u00e9confort, merci de lui avoir montr\u00e9 de l&rsquo;amiti\u00e9 et de la loyaut\u00e9, il n&rsquo;aura \u00e9t\u00e9 trahi dans sa vie que par une seule personne, mais bien s\u00fbr apr\u00e8s sa mort quand il n&rsquo;\u00e9tait plus la pour se d\u00e9fendre ou pour dire sa r\u00e9probation. Henri \u00e9tait un si honn\u00eate homme que personne n&rsquo;avait jamais os\u00e9 le trahir, peut \u00eatre de peur de s&rsquo;en sentir sali \u00e0 jamais, \u00e0 condition \u00e9videmment de partager le sens de l&rsquo;honneur qui \u00e9tait le sien.  <br \/>Il repose aujourd&rsquo;hui dans mon coeur \u00e0 jamais. <br \/>Merci de lui avoir donn\u00e9 du bonheur, merci \u00e0 Jacko qui sait si bien me r\u00e9conforter dans des moments de d\u00e9sespoir, il \u00e9tait pour Henri un vrai ami, de ceux que l&rsquo;on ne peut compter que sur les doigts d&rsquo;une main. <br \/>Il me manque tant <\/p>\n<p>annie  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Braham (Braham)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 23h08: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> :<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"D:plag.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/11112.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<p> <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Braham (Braham)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 22h37: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Pour Bekhor <\/p>\n<p>Vous avez raison, on croirait que les Juifs n&rsquo;ont jamais v\u00e9cu en Tunisie. Les seules places o\u00f9 j&rsquo;ai vu quelques traces, sont le cimeti\u00e8re du Borgel, la Ziara du Maarabi, les synagogues de Tunis de Sfax et de Nabeul ou celles de Djerba. Peut \u00e8tre ai-je omis d&rsquo;autres que je n&rsquo;ai pas vues ? <br \/>A propos du mus\u00e9e du Bardo, il y a toujours une petite chambre, qu&rsquo;on peut voir \u00e0 travers une grille, consacr\u00e9e au Judaisme. Aujourd&rsquo;hui elle est beaucoup plus pauvre qu&rsquo;elle ne l&rsquo;\u00e9tait il y a cinquante ans. <\/p>\n<p>Je n&rsquo;ai pas dit que la mosaique mortuaire \u00e9tait celle d&rsquo;un juif, mais qu&rsquo;elle \u00e9tait celle de quelqu&rsquo;un qui portait un nom de famille aussi Juif que le mien. D&rsquo;autres mosaiques semblables sont connues pour etre celles de hautes personnalit\u00e9s religieuses Chr\u00e9tiennes. Ici le nom \u00e9tait identique au mien. Le plus curieux \u00e9tait la particule BEN&#8230; qui n&rsquo;est pas commune chez les Chr\u00e9tiens et qui ne pouvait etre Arabe, puisque cette mosaique a \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9alis\u00e9e 2 si\u00e8cles avant l&rsquo;arriv\u00e9e des arabes.  <br \/>J&rsquo;en ai conclu, et c&rsquo;est purement hypoth\u00e9tique, que c&rsquo;\u00e9tait celle d&rsquo;un Juif qui portait mon nom et qui s&rsquo;\u00e9tait converti au Christianisme. Mes amis les historiens qui n&rsquo;ont trouv\u00e9 aucune preuve scientifique pour appuyer ma th\u00e9orie, disent que c&rsquo;est un beau fantasme. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 22h41: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Mais il faut laisser LA DOUDA tranquille, tout le monde sait qu&rsquo;il \u00e0 re\u00e7u la m\u00e9daille d&rsquo;OR des PLAGIAIRES des jeux olympique de la rue d&rsquo;Athenes \u00e0 la plage de la GOULETTE.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Charlotte (Charlotte)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 22h10: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> \u201c Celui qui ignore son pass\u00e9, est condamn\u00e9 \u00e0 le revivre \u201c, Elle est de toi celle l\u00e0 la DOUDA&#8230;? <br \/>Non. Elle est d&rsquo; Armistead Maupin dans \u00a0\u00bb Nouvelles chroniques de San Francisco \u00a0\u00bb .6 volumes en tout <\/p>\n<p>C&rsquo;est pass\u00e9 en feuilleton sur T\u00e9va.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Soleil (Soleil)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 21h30: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> 1. Attempted stabbing in Hebron <\/p>\n<p>Yesterday, Eran Schwartz, recently engaged to Baruch and Sarah Marzel&rsquo;s daughter Moriah, worshipped early morning prayers at Ma&rsquo;arat HaMachpela. Following the service, Rabbi Moshe Tzuriel, visiting Hebron for Shabbat, told the worshipers that &lsquo;whoever attends early morning prayers receives special Divine protection all day.&rsquo; <\/p>\n<p>Walking back to Tel Rumeida, Eran hiked via &lsquo;Abraham&rsquo;s stream,&rsquo; a site used by many Hebron youth as a &lsquo;Mikvah&rsquo; for purification. Stopping at the site, and debating with himself whether or not to immerse in the stream, Eran spotted four Arabs, not far from where he was standing. Deciding to return to Tel Rumeida, he kept walking up the hill, and shortly found himself surrounded by the Arabs. One of them squirted tear gas on the right side of his face, while another man removed a knife from his pocket. Fortunately the tear gas didn&rsquo;t hit both his eyes, and Eran realized exactly what was happening. He jumped back, and pushed one the Arabs, and managed to run away before being injured. The knife jabbed his side and drew blood, but he was not badly hurt.  <\/p>\n<p>Security patrols searched for the attackers for the rest of the day. <\/p>\n<p>Hebron youth and adults remained at the site of the stream all day, praying and partaking in traditional Shabbat meals there. Later that evening the entire community participated in a &lsquo;Melavah Malka,&rsquo; the traditional post-Shabbat meal at the site, celebrating Eran&rsquo;s escape from death at the hands of Arab terrorists. <\/p>\n<p>A Hebron spokesman issued the following statement: <br \/>Despite the seeming quiet in Hebron, it is clear that the city&rsquo;s Arabs have not lost their motivation to kill Jews. With the help of G-d, and thanks to continued efforts by Israeli security services, Hebron&rsquo;s Arabs have been stifled in their attempts to harm Jews in the city. But, as yesterday&rsquo;s attack again proves, their goals have not changed, and the attempted slaughter of an unarmed Jew, hiking between Beit Hadassah and Tel Rumeida, is a nasty reminder of this fact.  <br \/>The question must be asked: Does the Israeli government care whether Jews are safe in Hebron or anywhere else in Yesha? The Sharon plan to &lsquo;disengage&rsquo; i.e. abandon Gush Katif and communities in the northern Shomron, the fact the missiles continue to fall in Gush Katif, and over the &lsquo;green line&rsquo; is a clear signal to our enemies that despite continued attacks on Jews, their reward is promised. As long as Ariel Sharon continues to concede to Arab demands, effectively admitting that Eretz Yisrael does not belong to the Jews, Israeli lives will continue to be in jeopardy. The first reaction to yesterday&rsquo;s attempted killing should have been an immediate permit to build a new building in Hebron, next to &lsquo;Abraham&rsquo;s stream.&rsquo; Until Sharon and his supporters actualize such reactions, Arabs will continue to try and kill Jews, wherever they are. <\/p>\n<p>2. Official Israeli memorial for 1929 terror victims in Hebron <\/p>\n<p>Last week the Israeli government, in conjunction with the Jewish Community of Hebron, conducted an official riots and massacre, which left 67 Hebron Jews dead and over 70 wounded. As a result of the massacre, the British expelled the surviving Jews from Hebron, thereby bringing to an end a Jewish presence of thousands of years in the city of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs.  <\/p>\n<p>The service, held in the ancient Jewish cemetery in Hebron, adjacent to the graves of the murder victims, was led by Dr. Avshalom Koor. Representing the Israeli government was Knesset speaker Reuven (Rubi) Rivlin. Speaking on behalf of the Hebron families was Mr. Shlomo Slonim, a survivor of the riots. In addition, Yitzhak ben Hevron, also a survivor of the riots, and grandfather of Danielle Shefi, the little girl murdered by terrorists at the Adura community some two years ago, lit a memorial flame.  <\/p>\n<p>****************************************************** <br \/>The entire day&rsquo;s lectures and ceremony can be heard via the Hebron website (in Hebrew): www.hebron.com <br \/>********************************* <\/p>\n<p>Prior to the ceremony, the Hebron community, together with Midreshet Hevron, sponsored special full day of lectures in the Hebron museum in Beit Hadassah. Speakers included Rabbi Dov Cohen, a yeshiva student in Hebron in 1929 and Mr. Shalom Goldschmidt, five years old at the time of the massacre, whose father, Moshe Goldschmidt, was murdered by the Arabs in his home. Historian Arieh Rotenberg presented a fascinating historical sketch of pre-1929 Hebron.  <\/p>\n<p>Knesset speaker Rivlin said:  <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0It has been 75 years since the massacre, and yet the voices of our brothers still call out to us from the holy earth, our beloved earth of the field of Machpela, which was bought from the Hittites and paid for with silver. This is the earth that has buried Adam and Eve, Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebecca, and Jacob and Leah, and has been witness to the treachery and murder of the Ishmaelites.\u00a0\u00bb  He added, \u00ab\u00a0Once you murdered and then inherited the land. No longer will you be able to murder and then take possession of the property you stole.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Shlomo Slonim, whose family was wiped out during the massacre, linked the 1929 riots and killings to present-day events: \u00ab\u00a0Then they killed with knives and axes. Yet it was only a few short months ago that we witnessed terrorists killing the Hatuel family, four girls and a pregnant woman, first shooting them from a distance and then again, at point-blank range to ensure their deaths.\u00a0\u00bb He asked, \u00ab\u00a0won&rsquo;t the terrorists who continue to kill Jews and shoot missiles at homes in Gush Katif and Sderot only be encouraged by Sharon&rsquo;s &lsquo;disengagement&rsquo; plans, viewing that as a reward for their terror?\u00a0\u00bb  He also related to attempts by the Haganah to protect Jews in Hebron in 1929, attempts which were rejected by the then-Hebron leadership.  <br \/>\u00ab\u00a0Once Jews left their security in Arab hands and we are witness to the results. We must never ever again leave our security in their hands.\u00a0\u00bb  <\/p>\n<p>In the same vein, Rubi Rivlin declared: \u00ab\u00a0Where did Shalhevet&rsquo;s murderer learn how to aim at a baby&rsquo;s head and so calmly pull the trigger? From his predecessors, who perpetrated the 1929 massacre in Hebron.\u00a0\u00bb <br \/>Almost 1,000 people attended the memorial ceremony and lectures. <\/p>\n<p>The Jewish Community of Hebron &#8211; POB10 Kiryat Arba-Hebron 90100 hebron@hebron.org.il 972-2-9965333  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/b> le dimanche 22 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 21h17: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  CHER BRAHAM, <\/p>\n<p>Tu viens de m\u2019apprendre quelque chose de tr\u00e8s important, celui d\u2019avoir trouv\u00e9 un vestige juif dans un mus\u00e9e Tunisien. <br \/>Pourtant le plus important mus\u00e9e de Tunisie celui du BARDOT, ou tu as certainement vu les plus importantes mosa\u00efques du monde, ce grand mus\u00e9e n&rsquo;a aucun vestige appartenant au pass\u00e9 du juda\u00efsme de Tunisie. <\/p>\n<p>Pourtant nous savons tous que l&rsquo;histoire de la Tunisie est impr\u00e9gn\u00e9e de la pr\u00e9sence mill\u00e9naire des juifs de Tunisie. <\/p>\n<p>D&rsquo;apr\u00e8s mes d\u00e9ductions tout est fait en Tunisie pour occulter les traces de cette pr\u00e9sence sur ce territoire. <\/p>\n<p>Je suis tr\u00e8s \u00e9tonn\u00e9 que tu as trouv\u00e9 une trace juive au mus\u00e9e de Sousse, as-tu une photo de ce vestige ?  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana) le lundi 23 ao\u00fbt 2004 &#8211; 17h59: Bekhor, Quant au proverbe que tu donnes, je m&rsquo;excuse de te corriger on dit: L&rsquo;OUCAN KHOU YENFA&rsquo;A KHOU LAHAD MAYEBKI ALA BOUH (Si un frere secourait son frere personne n&rsquo;aurait pleurer son pere. Ce proverbe a ete affiche plusieurs fois par moi meme. 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