{"id":37611,"date":"2026-10-03T03:33:03","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:33:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=37611"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:33:03","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:33:03","slug":"commentaires-de-decembre-2006-archive-jusquau-11-decembre-2006-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-de-decembre-2006-archive-jusquau-11-decembre-2006-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires de Decembre 2006 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 11\/d\u00e9cembre\/2006-1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Albert (Albert)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 17h04: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Apr\u00e8s le THON, nous voici dans le CAVIAR&#8230;.! <br \/>Et l&rsquo;esturgeon&#8230;.! Bient\u00f4t la RAIE&#8230;! Laquelle au fait&#8230;.? <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Maurice (Maurice)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 15h55: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Faites pour manger du caviar comme les rabins font le Shabbat.Pour allumer la Synagogue il faisait appel \u00e0 un employ\u00e9 musulman ou mettait en marche une montre program\u00e9e qui allumait ou etteignait .Nous quand on invitait un rabin ma mere connaissait mal la Cacherout  mais comme ils etaient servis par une Juive si il y avait erreur le pech\u00e9 etait sur le responsable de l&rsquo;erreur   donc faites vous inviter , pour en manger  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Cacouboulou (Cacouboulou)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 12h09: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Mais oui Maurice, <\/p>\n<p>La vrai question \u00e0 propos de l&rsquo;esturgeon, c&rsquo;est de savoir, si ce poisson ne souffrait pas d&rsquo;une injustice, car \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9poque o\u00f9 fut pondu le L\u00e9vitique, on ne connaissait peut \u00eatre pas l&rsquo;esturgeon et ses \u00e9cailles gano\u00efdes&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>De ce fait, et \u00e0 cause de cette ignorance, il nous est interdit de nous r\u00e9galer de caviar, sauf bien sur, pour ceux qui le consomment en cachette, loin des surveillances indiscr\u00e8tes. <\/p>\n<p>Si tu peux nous apporter ta science en la mati\u00e8re, cela pourrait contribuer \u00e0 faire avancer le progr\u00e8s. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Pauline (Pauline)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 09h45: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  T\u00e9h\u00e9ran r\u00e9unit une conf\u00e9rence sur la \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9alit\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb de la Shoah <br \/>LE MONDE <\/p>\n<p> On en parle dans les organisations juives comme d&rsquo;une \u00ab\u00a0v\u00e9ritable ignominie\u00a0\u00bb. Une conf\u00e9rence internationale &#8211; dont l&rsquo;objectif semble \u00eatre de contester la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 de la Shoah &#8211; devrait attirer, lundi 11 et mardi 12 d\u00e9cembre \u00e0 T\u00e9h\u00e9ran, soixante-sept \u00ab\u00a0historiens et chercheurs\u00a0\u00bb de trente pays, dont les Etats-Unis, la France, l&rsquo;Allemagne, l&rsquo;Autriche. <\/p>\n<p>Jamais une manifestation \u00e0 forte tonalit\u00e9 n\u00e9gationniste de cette ampleur n&rsquo;avait eu lieu dans un pays musulman. A l&rsquo;initative de deux organisations n\u00e9onazies (am\u00e9ricaine et suisse), une conf\u00e9rence de m\u00eame nature avait failli se tenir en 2001 \u00e0 Beyrouth, mais avait \u00e9t\u00e9 annul\u00e9e apr\u00e8s un appel d&rsquo;intellectuels de quatorze pays arabes (dont les Palestiniens Edward Sa\u00efd, d\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9 depuis, et Elias Sanbar). <\/p>\n<p>A de multiples reprises depuis son \u00e9lection en juin 2005, le pr\u00e9sident iranien Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a contest\u00e9 la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 de la Shoah. D\u00e8s octobre 2005, affirmant qu&rsquo;Isra\u00ebl devait \u00eatre \u00ab\u00a0ray\u00e9 de la carte\u00a0\u00bb, il avait qualifi\u00e9 de \u00ab\u00a0mythe\u00a0\u00bb le g\u00e9nocide des juifs. Exprimant des \u00ab\u00a0doutes\u00a0\u00bb sur le nombre de juifs tu\u00e9s dans les camps, il fait de la Shoah un \u00ab\u00a0pr\u00e9texte\u00a0\u00bb au d\u00e9veloppement du sionisme, \u00e0 l'\u00a0\u00bboppression\u00a0\u00bb des Palestiniens, \u00e0 l&rsquo;accroissement de \u00ab\u00a0l&rsquo;influence des juifs dans l&rsquo;\u00e9conomie, les m\u00e9dias, les centres de pouvoir\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>Rendus publics par l&rsquo;Institut pour les \u00e9tudes politiques de T\u00e9h\u00e9ran &#8211; officine organisatrice proche du minist\u00e8re des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res -, les th\u00e8mes de la conf\u00e9rence affichent un caract\u00e8re n\u00e9gationniste : \u00ab\u00a0Antis\u00e9mitisme europ\u00e9en et \u00e9mergence du sionisme\u00a0\u00bb ; \u00ab\u00a0Nazisme et sionisme : coop\u00e9ration ou hostilit\u00e9\u00a0\u00bb ; \u00ab\u00a0Points de vue r\u00e9visionnistes\u00a0\u00bb ; \u00ab\u00a0Chambres \u00e0 gaz : n\u00e9gation ou confirmation\u00a0\u00bb, etc. Des d\u00e9bats sont pr\u00e9vus sur l&rsquo;antis\u00e9mitisme en Europe, compar\u00e9 au sort, jug\u00e9 plus cl\u00e9ment, des juifs en pays musulman, et sur les lois qui \u00ab\u00a0restreignent la libert\u00e9 d&rsquo;expression de ceux qui nient l&rsquo;Holocauste\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Si la conf\u00e9rence devait conclure que l&rsquo;Holocauste a vraiment exist\u00e9, alors l&rsquo;Iran l&rsquo;accepterait\u00a0\u00bb, a d\u00e9clar\u00e9, mardi 5 d\u00e9cembre, Manuchehr Mohammadi, vice-ministre des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res. Mais la question resterait enti\u00e8re : \u00ab\u00a0Pourquoi la nation palestinienne et les pays du Proche-Orient devraient-ils en payer le prix ?\u00a0\u00bb Il ajoutait : \u00ab\u00a0S&rsquo;il est vrai que six millions de juifs ont \u00e9t\u00e9 tu\u00e9s, faut-il interdire d&rsquo;autres recherches et emprisonner ceux qui doutent ?\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;ALLEMAGNE \u00ab\u00a0CHOQU\u00c9E\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Aucune liste d&rsquo;intervenants n&rsquo;avait \u00e9t\u00e9 communiqu\u00e9e \u00e0 deux jours de l&rsquo;ouverture. Les sites n\u00e9gationnistes sont \u00e9galement discrets, comme s&rsquo;ils craignaient que les participants ne soient inqui\u00e9t\u00e9s dans des pays comme la France, la Belgique, l&rsquo;Allemagne ou l&rsquo;Autriche, qui disposent d&rsquo;un arsenal r\u00e9pressif contre le n\u00e9gationnisme. Mais le chiffre fourni de trente pays participants confirme la coop\u00e9ration croissante entre chercheurs \u00ab\u00a0ind\u00e9pendants\u00a0\u00bb de pays europ\u00e9ens, des Etats-Unis, du Proche-Orient, ainsi que le fait observer le site am\u00e9ricain de l&rsquo;Institute for historical review (IHR), qui avait publi\u00e9, dans les ann\u00e9es 1970, deux ouvrages d&rsquo;Arthur Butz (La Supercherie du vingti\u00e8me si\u00e8cle) et de Richard Harwood (Est-ce qu&rsquo;il y a bien eu six millions de morts ?). L&rsquo;IHR avait \u00e9t\u00e9 promotrice de la conf\u00e9rence r\u00e9visionniste de Beyrouth en 2001. <\/p>\n<p>D\u00e9but 2006, d\u00e9j\u00e0, l&rsquo;Iran avait ripost\u00e9 aux caricatures de Mahomet publi\u00e9es par la presse danoise par un concours de caricatures sur la Shoah. Quelque 1 193 dessins avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 envoy\u00e9s de 62 pays. Neuf millions de personnes ont visit\u00e9 l&rsquo;exposition qui a suivi \u00e0 T\u00e9h\u00e9ran. C&rsquo;est devant le \u00ab\u00a0succ\u00e8s\u00a0\u00bb de cette manifestation que la conf\u00e9rence sur la Shoah avait \u00e9t\u00e9 relanc\u00e9e. <\/p>\n<p>Le Congr\u00e8s juif mondial s&rsquo;inqui\u00e8te de la faiblesse des r\u00e9actions. Toutefois, apr\u00e8s Kofi Annan, qui a d\u00e9savou\u00e9 l&rsquo;initiative iranienne, le minist\u00e8re allemand des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res a d\u00e9clar\u00e9, vendredi 8 d\u00e9cembre, que les affirmations mettant en doute la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 de la Shoah sont \u00ab\u00a0choquantes\u00a0\u00bb et \u00ab\u00a0inacceptables\u00a0\u00bb.  <\/p>\n<p>Henri Tincq <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Maurice (Maurice)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 09h23: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Cacouboulou    Ne donne pas trop \u00e0 Tele THON ils peuvent t&rsquo;\u00e9cailler pour s&rsquo;encailler eux meme vu le prix de la PUB et des organisations <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Mailroom (Mailroom)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 05h14: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> VOTEZ POUR JACQUELINE TAIEB &amp; AMSTERDAM BEATCLUB \u00a0\u00bb 7 HEURES DU SOIR \u00a0\u00bb \/  \u00ab\u00a07 PM \u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/musique.aol.fr\/artist-JTaieb91\/p-artiste_id\/imprevus-2006\/artiste.html\">http:\/\/musique.aol.fr\/artist-JTaieb91\/p-artiste_id\/imprevus-2006\/artiste.html<\/a> <\/p>\n<p>Jacqueline Taieb <br \/>Peace, Love &amp; Action ! <br \/>Nouvelle version du site : <a href=\"http:\/\/perso.orange.fr\/taieb.jacqueline\/\">http:\/\/perso.orange.fr\/taieb.jacqueline\/<\/a> <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Mailroom (Mailroom)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 04h52: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"c:\/\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/11646.jpg\"\/><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"c:\/\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/11647.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/tsedaka.fsju.org\/donne.html\">CLIQUEZ ICI<\/a><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Mailroom (Mailroom)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 04h51: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> NOUVEAU RESTAU TUNE A JERUSALEM <\/p>\n<p>salut les tunes, <\/p>\n<p>Simone est un nouveau resto a jerusalem <br \/>cuisine francaise et orientale (couscous poisson, patisserie tunisiene, harissa a toutes les sauces) <\/p>\n<p>route de hebron 49 jerusalem <\/p>\n<p>02 6729950 <\/p>\n<p>clozem@hotmail.com <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>A_Soued (A_Soued)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 04h26: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  LA FIN DE LA PARTIE D\u2019ECHECS  <br \/>Obs\u00e9d\u00e9s par l\u2019Irak, nous avons perdu de vue le reste du monde.  <\/p>\n<p>PAR GARRY KASPAROV, ancien champion du monde d\u2019\u00e9checs, pr\u00e9sident du Front Civil Uni en Russie.  \u2013 <\/p>\n<p>2 Decembre 2006 \u2013journal  d\u2019opinion <\/p>\n<p>Traduit par St\u00e9phane Teicher pour www.nuitdorient.com  <\/p>\n<p>Durant ces derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es, les dictateurs et les terroristes ont gagn\u00e9 du terrain, et \u00e0 juste raison. La catastrophe de plus en plus profonde en Irak a \u00e9loign\u00e9 la seule superpuissance mondiale de ses vrais objectifs, et affaibli les USA aussi bien politiquement que militairement. Face \u00e0 un nouveau leadership au Congr\u00e8s, qui menace de faire la m\u00eame faute \u2013ne pas voir l\u2019Irak comme seulement une pi\u00e8ce d\u2019un plus grand puzzle \u2013il est temps de revenir aux bases du planning strat\u00e9gique.  <\/p>\n<p>Trente ans pass\u00e9s \u00e0 jouer aux \u00e9checs ont enracin\u00e9 en moi l\u2019importance de ne jamais perdre de vue le tableau dans son ensemble. Pr\u00eater trop d\u2019attention \u00e0 une seule partie de l\u2019\u00e9chiquier peut rapidement conduire \u00e0 l\u2019effondrement de votre position toute enti\u00e8re.  <\/p>\n<p>L\u2019Am\u00e9rique et ses alli\u00e9s sont tellement concentr\u00e9s sur l\u2019Irak qu\u2019ils c\u00e8dent du terrain sur toute la carte. M\u00eame les vagues objectifs de la guerre ambigu\u00eb du Pr\u00e9sident Bush contre le terrorisme ont \u00e9t\u00e9 mis de c\u00f4t\u00e9 par la crise \u00e0 Bagdad.   <\/p>\n<p>Les USA doivent se recentrer et reconna\u00eetre l\u2019\u00e9chec de leur politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re post-11 Septembre. Les attaques pr\u00e9emptives et le renversement de dictateurs \u00e9taient ou n\u2019\u00e9taient pas un bon plan, mais au moins c\u2019\u00e9tait un plan. Or, si on attaque l\u2019Irak, l&rsquo;\u00e9ventualit\u00e9 de poursuivre l\u2019Iran ou la Syrie doit \u00eatre mise aussi sur la table. Au lieu de cela, les USA se trouvent en train du superviser une guerre civile, tout en faisant des concessions ailleurs, sans discontinuer.  <\/p>\n<p>Cette dure situation est le r\u00e9sultat de la seule chose pire que l\u2019\u00e9chec d\u2019une strat\u00e9gie: l\u2019incapacit\u00e9 de reconna\u00eetre, ou d\u2019admettre, qu\u2019une strat\u00e9gie a \u00e9chou\u00e9. Depuis l\u2019invasion de l\u2019Irak en Mars 2003, la Cor\u00e9e du Nord a test\u00e9 l\u2019arme nucl\u00e9aire. L\u2019Iran acc\u00e9l\u00e8re ouvertement son programme d\u2019enrichissement de l\u2019uranium, tout en versant de l\u2019argent au Hezbollah et au Hamas. Les Talibans r\u00e9apparaissent en Afghanistan. Pratiquement hors de tout contr\u00f4le, la Somalie est en train de devenir un refuge pour al Qaeda. Le pire de tout, c\u2019est la r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 la question qui relie tous ces fusibles qui sautent : Non, nous ne sommes pas plus en s\u00e9curit\u00e9 qu\u2019avant.   <\/p>\n<p>Les germes de cette situation ont \u00e9t\u00e9 sem\u00e9s lors du seul v\u00e9ritable succ\u00e8s obtenu par l\u2019Occident. L\u2019attaque contre les Talibans et al Qaeda en Afghanistan a tellement bien r\u00e9ussi que les USA et leurs alli\u00e9s n\u2019ont pas analys\u00e9 toutes les raisons de ce succ\u00e8s. Presque tous les acteurs de la sc\u00e8ne mondiale ont b\u00e9n\u00e9fici\u00e9 de l\u2019attaque contre l\u2019Afghanistan. La d\u00e9route des Talibans Sunnites a ravi l\u2019Iran. La Russie et la Chine n\u2019aiment pas avoir l\u2019extr\u00e9misme religieux \u00e0 leurs fronti\u00e8res. L\u2019Inde \u00e9tait contente de voir les USA lancer une attaque directe sur des terroristes musulmans.  <\/p>\n<p>Seul le Pakistan s\u2019est trouv\u00e9 soumis \u00e0 des pressions inconfortables, bien que m\u00eame l\u00e0, Pervez Musharraf ait r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 jouer sur les deux tableaux suffisamment bien, pour appara\u00eetre comme un alli\u00e9 essentiel de l\u2019Occident, pendant que les terroristes et les armes traversaient librement ses fronti\u00e8res. Le G\u00e9n\u00e9ral Musharraf a port\u00e9 \u00e0 la perfection la formule le pr\u00e9sentant comme le seul rempart contre les extr\u00e9mistes, ce qui lui permet d\u2019avoir l\u2019immunit\u00e9 pour sa dictature. Non seulement il y avait l\u00e0 une convergence de l\u2019opinion mondiale aid\u00e9e par une sympathie envers les USA apr\u00e8s le 11\/9, mais les m\u00e9chants de service \u00e9taient vraiment des m\u00e9chants, et nous savions o\u00f9 ils se trouvaient. Comme la suite des \u00e9v\u00e8nements nous l\u2019a appris, bombarder efficacement des terroristes \u00e9tait une occasion rare.  <\/p>\n<p>Bien s\u00fbr, il faut tirer des le\u00e7ons de ses d\u00e9faites, mais trop souvent, on oublie d\u2019\u00e9valuer les raisons de nos succ\u00e8s. On les consid\u00e8re comme acquis. Les USA ont lanc\u00e9 la charge en Irak sans analyser les difficult\u00e9s beaucoup plus grandes que repr\u00e9senterait l\u2019apr\u00e8s guerre dans ce pays, et comment ce travail serait compliqu\u00e9 par l\u2019opinion globale de plus en plus hostile aux aventures militaires de l\u2019Am\u00e9rique. Le r\u00f4le de l\u2019Am\u00e9rique comme \u00ab\u00a0le m\u00e9chant flic\u00a0\u00bb a \u00e9t\u00e9 un \u00e9chec sur la sc\u00e8ne globale. Sans la pr\u00e9sence am\u00e9ricaine en Irak, comme cible et comme bouc \u00e9missaire, les Irakiens auraient \u00e9t\u00e9 forc\u00e9s de prendre des d\u00e9cisions politiques difficiles qu\u2019ils \u00e9vitent de prendre aujourd\u2019hui. Nous ne saurons pas si l\u2019Irak peut se d\u00e9brouiller tout seul avant que les troupes US le quittent. Et pendant ce temps l\u00e0, la Cor\u00e9e du Sud et la Chine refusent d\u2019agir contre la Cor\u00e9e du Nord, tout en accusant les USA de conduite provocatrice. A quelle allure leur attitude changerait-elle si les USA retiraient leurs troupes de la p\u00e9ninsule cor\u00e9enne ? Ou si le Japon\u2014sans parler de Taiwan\u2014annon\u00e7ait des plans de d\u00e9veloppement d\u2019armes nucl\u00e9aires?  <\/p>\n<p>De Caracas \u00e0 Moscou et \u00e0 Pyongyang, chacun suit son agenda tout en ignorant le Pr\u00e9sident Bush et l\u2019ONU. Ici en Russie, par exemple, Vladimir Poutine re\u00e7oit l\u2019appui de Mr. Bush pour devenir membre de l\u2019Organisation Mondiale du Commerce (OMC), tout en vendant des syst\u00e8mes avanc\u00e9s de missiles de d\u00e9fense a\u00e9riens \u00e0 l\u2019Iran, et tout en imposant des sanctions \u00e0 la G\u00e9orgie, elle-m\u00eame membre de l\u2019OMC . L\u2019adh\u00e9sion \u00e0 l\u2019OMC ne profitera pas aux Russes ordinaires, mais elle apportera une plus grande couverture \u00e0 Mr. Poutine et \u00e0 son gang d\u2019oligarques, pour ran\u00e7onner le pays et blanchir l\u2019argent \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tranger, sans craindre de r\u00e9sistance de la part d\u2019un Occident distrait, discr\u00e9dit\u00e9 et affaibli.  <\/p>\n<p>On peut ne pas savoir ce qui marche, mais on a beaucoup d\u2019exemples de ce qui ne marche pas, et on ne peut pas continuer \u00e0 les ignorer. Seule super puissance mondiale, les USA commencent \u00e0 s\u2019effilocher. La moindre intervention cause du ressentiment, et m\u00eame de nombreux alli\u00e9s traditionnels s\u2019opposent presque ouvertement aux plans US. La politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re excessivement proactive des Etats-Unis a aussi permis aux autres nations d\u2019\u00e9viter de prendre la responsabilit\u00e9 de leur propre s\u00e9curit\u00e9, et d\u2019\u00e9viter de prendre les d\u00e9cisions difficiles qu\u2019implique cette responsabilit\u00e9.  <\/p>\n<p>Dans le m\u00eame temps, l\u2019ONU est devenue l\u2019exemple parfait d\u2019une institution bris\u00e9e. Quand les leaders ont peur d\u2019agir pour de bon, ils s\u2019adressent \u00e0 l\u2019ONU, o\u00f9 ils savent que rien de tangible ne sera r\u00e9alis\u00e9. Les r\u00e9solutions sont r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement ignor\u00e9es sans cons\u00e9quences, et en fait, sont ouvertement bafou\u00e9es. Le Hezbollah a fi\u00e8rement agit\u00e9 des armes quand l\u2019arm\u00e9e Isra\u00e9lienne a quitt\u00e9 le Liban, et les soldats Isra\u00e9liens kidnapp\u00e9s attendent toujours d\u2019\u00eatre lib\u00e9r\u00e9s.  <\/p>\n<p>Alors, que faire ?  \u00ab\u00a0Mission accomplie\u00a0\u00bb en Irak, sans plaisanter. Les objectifs d\u2019origine \u2014 d\u00e9poser Saddam Hussein et tenir des \u00e9lections \u2014 ont \u00e9t\u00e9 atteints. B\u00e2tir une nation n\u2019a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019ordre du jour, et n\u2019a pas \u00e0 y \u00eatre ajout\u00e9 maintenant. Toutes les troupes alli\u00e9es du monde ne parviendront pas \u00e0 emp\u00eacher le peuple de poursuivre sa guerre civile, si tel est son choix. Tant que les leaders Musulmans en Irak et ailleurs ne voudront pas affronter leurs \u00e9l\u00e9ments radicaux, les \u00e9trangers seront des spectateurs, dans la ligne de feu.  <\/p>\n<p>Quant \u00e0 la stabilit\u00e9, si les troupes alli\u00e9es quittent l\u2019Irak : Quelle stabilit\u00e9 ? Je ne dirais pas que la situation peut empirer\u2014si nous avons appris quelque chose, c\u2019est que les choses au Moyen Orient peuvent toujours empirer; mais au moins la dynamique actuelle de la mort pourrait changer. Et avec le changement, il y a toujours un espoir d\u2019am\u00e9lioration. Sans changement, on attend un r\u00e9sultat diff\u00e9rent de la m\u00eame conduite, une chose que quelqu\u2019un a une fois d\u00e9fini comme une insanit\u00e9.  <\/p>\n<p>Chessboard Endgame  <br \/>Obsessed with Iraq, we&rsquo;ve lost sight of the rest of the world.  <\/p>\n<p>BY GARRY KASPAROV, a former world chess champion, is chairman of the United Civil Front in Russia.  \u2013 <\/p>\n<p>December 2, 2006 \u2013opinion journal  <\/p>\n<p>For the past few years, the dictators and terrorists have been gaining ground, and with good reason. The deepening catastrophe in Iraq has distracted the world&rsquo;s sole superpower from its true goals, and weakened the U.S. politically as well as militarily. With new congressional leadership threatening to make the same mistake&#8211;failing to see Iraq as only one piece of a greater puzzle&#8211;it is time to return to the basics of strategic planning.  <\/p>\n<p>Thirty years as a chess player ingrained in me the importance of never losing sight of the big picture. Paying too much attention to one area of the chessboard can quickly lead to the collapse of your entire position. America and its allies are so focused on Iraq they are ceding territory all over the map. Even the vague goals of President Bush&rsquo;s ambiguous war on terror have been pushed aside by the crisis in Baghdad.  <\/p>\n<p>The U.S. must refocus and recognize the failure of its post-9\/11 foreign policy. Pre-emptive strikes and deposing dictators may or may not have been a good plan, but at least it was a plan. However, if you attack Iraq, the potential to go after Iran and Syria must also be on the table. Instead, the U.S. finds itself supervising a civil war while helplessly making concessions elsewhere.  <\/p>\n<p>This dire situation is a result of the only thing worse than a failed strategy: the inability to recognize, or to admit, that a strategy has failed. Since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, North Korea has tested a nuclear weapon. Iran is openly boasting of its uranium enrichment program while pouring money into Hezbollah and Hamas. A resurgent Taliban is on the rise in Afghanistan. Nearly off the radar, Somalia is becoming an al Qaeda haven. Worst of all is the answer to the question that ties all of these burning fuses together: No, we are not safer now than we were before.  <\/p>\n<p>The seeds for this situation were sown in the one real success the West has had. The attack on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan went so well that the U.S. and its allies did not appreciate all the reasons for the success. Almost every player on the world stage benefited from the attack on Afghanistan. The rout of the Sunni Taliban delighted Iran. Russia and China have no love for religious extremism near their borders. India was happy to see the U.S. launch a direct attack on Muslim terrorists.  <\/p>\n<p>Only Pakistan was put under uncomfortable pressure, although even there, Pervez Musharraf has been able to play both sides well enough to appear to be an essential ally to the West, while terrorists and weapons cross his borders freely. Gen. Musharraf has perfected the formula of holding himself up as the last defense against the extremists in order to gain immunity for his dictatorship. Not only was there a confluence of world opinion aided by sympathy for the U.S. after 9\/11, but the proverbial bad guys were undoubtedly bad, and we knew where they were. As subsequent events have shown, effectively bombing terrorists is a rare opportunity.  <\/p>\n<p>Learning from our defeats is obvious, but too often we fail to appreciate the reasons for our successes; we take them for granted. The U.S. charged into Iraq without appreciating the far greater difficulty of the postwar task there, and how it would be complicated by the increasingly hostile global opinion of America&rsquo;s military adventures.  <\/p>\n<p>America&rsquo;s role as \u00ab\u00a0bad cop\u00a0\u00bb has been a flop on the global stage. Without the American presence in Iraq as a target and scapegoat, Iraqis would be forced to make the hard political decisions they are currently avoiding. We won&rsquo;t know if Iraq can stand on its own until the U.S. forces leave. Meanwhile, South Korea and China refuse to take action on North Korea while accusing the U.S. of provocative behavior. How quickly would their attitudes change if the U.S. pulled its troops out of the Korean Peninsula? Or if Japan&#8211;not to mention Taiwan&#8211;announced nuclear weapon plans?  <\/p>\n<p>From Caracas to Moscow to Pyongyang, everyone follows their own agenda while ignoring President Bush and the U.N. Here in Russia, for example, Vladimir Putin gets Mr. Bush&rsquo;s endorsement for membership to the World Trade Organization while selling advanced air defense missile systems to Iran and imposing sanctions on Georgia, itself a WTO member. WTO membership is not going to benefit ordinary Russians, but it will provide more cover for Mr. Putin and his gang of oligarchs to continue to loot the country and launder the money abroad with no resistance from a distracted, discredited and enfeebled West.  <\/p>\n<p>We might not know what works, but we have many fine examples of what doesn&rsquo;t work, and we cannot continue to ignore them. As the world&rsquo;s sole superpower, the U.S. has become a lightening rod. Any intervention causes resentment, and even many traditional allies oppose U.S. plans almost out of hand. America&rsquo;s overly proactive foreign policy has also allowed other nations to avoid responsibility for their own safety, and to avoid making the tough decisions that come with that responsibility.  <\/p>\n<p>At the same time, the U.N. has become a perfect example of a broken institution. When leaders are afraid to take real action they go to the U.N., where they know nothing tangible will be achieved. Resolutions are routinely ignored without consequences and, in fact, are openly flouted. Hezbollah proudly waved weapons as the Israeli army left Lebanon, and the kidnapped Israeli soldiers have yet to be released.  <\/p>\n<p>So what then, to do? \u00ab\u00a0Mission accomplished\u00a0\u00bb jokes aside, the original goals in Iraq&#8211;deposing Saddam Hussein and holding elections&#8211;have been achieved. Nation-building was never on the agenda, and it should not be added now. All the allied troops in the world aren&rsquo;t going to stop the Iraqi people from continuing their civil war if this is their choice. As long as Muslim leaders in Iraq and elsewhere are unwilling to confront their own radical elements, outsiders will be spectators in the line of fire.  <\/p>\n<p>As for stability, if allied troops leave Iraq: What stability? I won&rsquo;t say things can&rsquo;t get worse&#8211;if we&rsquo;ve learned anything, it&rsquo;s that things in the Middle East can always get worse; but at least the current deadly dynamic would be changed. And with change there is always hope for improvement. Without change, we are expecting a different result from the same behavior, something once defined as insanity. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Victor (Victor)<\/b> le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 00h27: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> La mont\u00e9e de l\u2019islam fondamentaliste  <br \/>08\/12\/06   <\/p>\n<p>Th\u00e8me: Religion    <\/p>\n<p>Dans une interview accord\u00e9e au Monde 2, Elie Barnavi, l\u2019ancien ambassadeur d\u2019Isra\u00ebl en France et qui dirige \u00e0 pr\u00e9sent le mus\u00e9e de l\u2019Europe \u00e0 Bruxelles, revient sur la mont\u00e9e de l\u2019islam fondamentaliste. D\u2019apr\u00e8s lui, \u00ab il faut r\u00e9apprendre le go\u00fbt amer du conflit pour la d\u00e9fense des valeurs qui d\u00e9finissent ce que nous sommes et ce que nous voulons \u00eatre (\u2026) Si nous r\u00e9apprenons les vertus de la bataille des id\u00e9es, on pourra maintenir cette guerre dans les limites supportables d\u2019un combat d\u00e9mocratique \u00bb. Concernant le mod\u00e8le fran\u00e7ais d\u2019int\u00e9gration ou d\u2019assimilation, il pr\u00e9cise : \u00ab Je le d\u00e9fends mais je m\u2019aper\u00e7ois que, s\u2019il reste bon dans son principe, il ne fonctionne plus. \u00bb Il ajoute que si la France a des difficult\u00e9s \u00e0 int\u00e9grer ces minorit\u00e9s aujourd\u2019hui, c\u2019est surtout du au fait qu\u2019elle ait \u00ab perdu sa capacit\u00e9 \u00e0 agir en ce sens, parce qu\u2019elle vit une crise qui est \u00e0 la fois \u00e9conomique et mentale \u00bb. Revenant sur l\u2019islam, il affirme qu\u2019il \u00ab n\u2019a pas invent\u00e9 le fondamentalisme r\u00e9volutionnaire, qui a marqu\u00e9 toutes les religions r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e9es. Mais aujourd\u2019hui, c\u2019est lui qui pose probl\u00e8me, d\u00e9veloppe un projet de conqu\u00eate mondiale, hait l\u2019Occident, tue \u00bb.  <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.crif.org\/?page=articles_display\/detail&amp;aid=8026&amp;artyd=5&amp;stinfo=415.505.25873\">http:\/\/www.crif.org\/?page=articles_display\/detail&amp;aid=8026&amp;artyd=5&amp;stinfo=415.505.25873<\/a> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par Albert (Albert) le dimanche 10 d\u00e9cembre 2006 &#8211; 17h04: Apr\u00e8s le THON, nous voici dans le CAVIAR&#8230;.! Et l&rsquo;esturgeon&#8230;.! Bient\u00f4t la RAIE&#8230;! Laquelle au fait&#8230;.? 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