{"id":38097,"date":"2026-10-03T03:33:46","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:33:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=38097"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:33:46","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:33:46","slug":"commentaires-mai-2005-archive-jusquau-10-mai-2005","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-mai-2005-archive-jusquau-10-mai-2005\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires Mai 2005 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 10\/mai\/2005"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>A_Soued (A_Soued)<\/b> le mardi 10 mai 2005 &#8211; 08h06: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  LA 3\u00c8ME OPTION POUR L&rsquo;IRAN <\/p>\n<p>Par David Johnson, cofondateur de l&rsquo;Alliance Am\u00e9ricaine pour un Iran d\u00e9mocratique et directeur des op\u00e9trations <\/p>\n<p>Article paru le 6 mai 2005 dans www.FrontPageMagazine.com     <\/p>\n<p>Traduction par Albert Soued, www.chez.com\/soued\/confhtm pour www.nuitdorient.com  <\/p>\n<p>La question de l&rsquo;Iran devient de plus en plus ardue pour Washington. Lors du dernier week-end, Hassan Rohani, le n\u00e9gociateur iranien pour le nucl\u00e9aire, a averti que son pays pourrait reprendre l&rsquo;enrichissement de son uranium dans la semaine. Un jour plus tard, le Guide supr\u00eame Ali Khamenei a pr\u00e9cis\u00e9 que le prochain pr\u00e9sident Iranien ne renoncerait pas au programme nucl\u00e9aire du pays. Il est clair \u00e0 ce niveau qu&rsquo;un Iran nucl\u00e9aire constitue une menace s\u00e9rieuse \u00e0 la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 des Etats-Unis.  <\/p>\n<p>Mais que peut faire Washington? Jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent les deux possibilit\u00e9s envisag\u00e9es pour contrecarrer les ambitions nucl\u00e9aires iraniennes sont d&rsquo;apaiser le r\u00e9gime par des incitations \u00e9conomiques, ou d&rsquo;entreprendre une action militaire cibl\u00e9e (1). <\/p>\n<p>Le 14 avril 2005, les orateurs de la Convention Nationale pour une R\u00e9publique Iranienne d\u00e9mocratique et s\u00e9culi\u00e8re ont insist\u00e9 sur une 3\u00e8me option qui pourrait emporter l&rsquo;adh\u00e9sion de tous les Iraniens et de tous les Am\u00e9ricains. <\/p>\n<p>Des centaines de d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9s Iraniens-Am\u00e9ricains ont assist\u00e9 \u00e0 la Convention qui s&rsquo;est tenue \u00e0 Washington, et, parmi eux, des responsables de toutes les religions, encourageant la tol\u00e9rance religieuse et exprimant leur soutien \u00e0 tous les Iraniens de l&rsquo;int\u00e9rieur qui se battent pour les droits de l&rsquo;homme et la tol\u00e9rance. Assistaient \u00e9galement les familles endeuill\u00e9es dont un membre a \u00e9t\u00e9 ex\u00e9cut\u00e9 par le gouvernement actuel, des intellectuels, des scientifiques, des universitaires et des chefs d&rsquo;entreprises. Des membres du Congr\u00e8s am\u00e9ricain Tom Tancredo (R\u00e9p-Colorado), Bob Filner (D\u00e9m-Calif), Ted Poe (R\u00e9p-Texas), Dennis Moor (D\u00e9m-Kansas) sont intervenus \u00e0 la tribune. Dans une ambiance rappelant les conventions des campagnes am\u00e9ricaines, une foule anim\u00e9e d\u00e9ployait des affiches revendiquant des aspirations \u00e0 un Iran d\u00e9mocratique et s\u00e9culier et insistant sur le nom des organisations capables de les mener \u00e0 cet Iran. Une image populaire est celle de la pr\u00e9sidente \u00e9lue du Conseil National de la R\u00e9sistance Iranienne (CNRI), la plus importante organisation d&rsquo;opposition. <\/p>\n<p>Il faut rappeler ici qu&rsquo;en 1999, cette organisation a \u00e9t\u00e9 consid\u00e9r\u00e9e par le D\u00e9partement d&rsquo;Etat comme impliqu\u00e9e dans la terreur et d\u00e9sign\u00e9e comme \u00ab\u00a0organisation terroriste \u00e9trang\u00e8re\u00a0\u00bb (OTE), alias du MEK, ou \u00ab\u00a0Mojahedine el Khalq\u00a0\u00bb qui a essay\u00e9 de renverser le gouvernement actuel par la terreur. Quand en 1997 Mohamed Khatami a \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9lu, l&rsquo;administration Clinton l&rsquo;a consid\u00e9r\u00e9 comme un mod\u00e9r\u00e9 pouvant transformer pacifiquement le r\u00e9gime des ayatollahs; et le MEK a \u00e9t\u00e9 mis \u00e0 l&rsquo;index des terroristes, comme concession \u00e0 Khatami. <\/p>\n<p>Le mandat de Khatami se termine en ao\u00fbt 2005 et il laissera un h\u00e9ritage d&rsquo;amertume et de d\u00e9ception. Malheureusement, on ne peut pas \u00eatre optimiste quant au prochain pr\u00e9sident qui servira les int\u00e9r\u00eats de l&rsquo;oligarchie th\u00e9ocratique r\u00e9gnante au grand plaisir du Guide Supr\u00eame. <\/p>\n<p>Washington doit prendre une d\u00e9cision quant \u00e0 la solution de la crise iranienne et la Pr\u00e9sidente Rajavi et son CNRI ont saisi cette occasion en or pour avancer leurs id\u00e9es. <\/p>\n<p>Mme Rajavi s&rsquo;est adress\u00e9e \u00e0 la convention par satellite depuis son domicile \u00e0 Auvers sur Oise (France). \u00c9tant dans l&rsquo;incapacit\u00e9 d&rsquo;y \u00eatre pr\u00e9sente physiquement du fait du statut de son organisation aux Etats-unis, elle a profit\u00e9 des facilit\u00e9s virtuelles pour demander \u00e0 l&rsquo;administration Bush de r\u00e9habiliter le CNRI comme organisation non terroriste. <\/p>\n<p>Elle a pr\u00e9cis\u00e9 que le CNRI demande officiellement un r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum pour le changement pacifique de r\u00e9gime en Iran, qu&rsquo;il rejette la violence, la terreur et le port d&rsquo;armes ill\u00e9gales et qu&rsquo;il respecte pleinement la D\u00e9claration Universelle des Droits de l&rsquo;Homme, citant \u00e0 la fois G Bush et Th Jefferson, pour illustrer sa vision de l&rsquo;avenir. <\/p>\n<p>Il est vrai qu&rsquo;en d\u00e9voilant que T\u00e9h\u00e9ran poursuivait un programme d&rsquo;armes nucl\u00e9aires et en d\u00e9signant nomm\u00e9ment le gouvernement iranien comme responsable des attentats terroristes en Europe et au Moyen Orient, le CNRI a contribu\u00e9 \u00e0 un monde plus s\u00fbr. Les Etats-Unis ne peuvent plus se permettre de laisser le CNRI dans la liste des OTE, car ils se priveraient du principal partenaire d&rsquo;opposition en Iran. \u00c0 la convention, il y eut des t\u00e9moignages dans ce sens de deux officiers de l&rsquo;arm\u00e9e am\u00e9ricaine ayant servi en Irak et connaissant des membres du MEK r\u00e9sidant \u00e0 Ashraf. <\/p>\n<p>Malgr\u00e9 la position am\u00e9ricaine, les projets du CNRI pour l&rsquo;Iran restent ambitieux. Apr\u00e8s la chute du r\u00e9gime actuel, il est pr\u00e9vu que Mme Rajavi soit pr\u00e9sidente par int\u00e9rim pendant 6 mois, le temps de pr\u00e9parer des \u00e9lections libres et transparentes. <\/p>\n<p>Ainsi, Mme Rajavi et le CNRI se sont lanc\u00e9s dans cette 3\u00e8me voie, impliquant que le changement en Iran parte du peuple Iranien et qu&rsquo;il soit soutenu de l&rsquo;int\u00e9rieur. Lass\u00e9 par la guerre d&rsquo;Irak, le public am\u00e9ricain applaudirait, selon toute \u00e9vidence. <\/p>\n<p>Deux r\u00e9cents sondages Gallup montrent que les Am\u00e9ricains pensent que l&rsquo;actuel gouvernement iranien est une menace pour leur pays, mais en m\u00eame temps ils ne souhaitent pas de solution militaire. Par cons\u00e9quent cette 3\u00e8me voie vient bien \u00e0 propos, mais la plupart ne savent pas que CNRI est consid\u00e9r\u00e9 encore par leur administration comme une groupe terroriste, ce qui les choquerait. Les Iraniens-Am\u00e9ricains pr\u00e9sents \u00e0 la Convention Nationale \u00e9taient enthousiasm\u00e9s par cette troisi\u00e8me option et n&rsquo;accordait pas d&rsquo;importance au classement du CNRI par l&rsquo;administration am\u00e9ricaine\u2026.ils sont pr\u00eats \u00e0 se consacrer \u00e0 un activisme politique pacifique aux Etas-Unis. <\/p>\n<p>Il est temps que les politiciens de Washington aient la sagesse de reconna\u00eetre le r\u00f4le de ces Iraniens-Am\u00e9ricains dans l&rsquo;avenir de l&rsquo;Iran et de la d\u00e9mocratie au Moyen Orient\u2026. <\/p>\n<p>Il est temps de les utiliser pour s&rsquo;opposer la menace que fait peser sur le monde un r\u00e9gime autocratique religieux et dangereux. La 3\u00e8me voie offerte est sans doute la meilleure option que ces politiciens ont aujourd&rsquo;hui pour prendre leur d\u00e9cision. <\/p>\n<p>Note de la traduction. <\/p>\n<p>(1)Cette 3\u00e8me voie peut para\u00eetre un v\u0153u pieux en effet; mais l&rsquo;option des concessions commerciales a \u00e9t\u00e9 rejet\u00e9e avec ironie par les ayatollahs et les frappes m\u00eame cibl\u00e9es sur les 350 sites nucl\u00e9aires ne viendront pas \u00e0 bout d&rsquo;un r\u00e9gime fortement implant\u00e9 et immens\u00e9ment enrichi par les revenus p\u00e9troliers. Reste un soul\u00e8vement int\u00e9rieur fort hypoth\u00e9tique, avec l&rsquo;aide de ce CNRI qui n&rsquo;\u00e9tait localement cr\u00e9dible que lorsqu&rsquo;il d\u00e9stabilisait le r\u00e9gime par des attentats sanglants, via le MEK. <\/p>\n<p>La d\u00e9cision que doit prendre l&rsquo;administration am\u00e9ricaine eu \u00e9gard \u00e0 la menace nucl\u00e9aire iranienne est pour le moins malais\u00e9e. Si malais\u00e9e que d&rsquo;aucuns dans l&rsquo;administration US s&rsquo;alignent sur la position europ\u00e9enne, laisser faire et il y aura un membre de plus dans le Club atomique. Et alors ? disent-ils. En Isra\u00ebl on ne l&rsquo;entend pas de cette oreille. <\/p>\n<p>A Third Option for Iran <\/p>\n<p>By David Johnson \u2013cofounder of the US Alliance for Democratic Iran and its Director of Operations. <\/p>\n<p>FrontPageMagazine.com &#8211;  May 6, 2005  <\/p>\n<p>Washington\u2019s Iran problem just got bigger. Over the weekend, Tehran&rsquo;s chief nuclear negotiator, Hassan Rohani, warned that Iran might resume uranium enrichment-related work this week. A day later, Iran\u2019s Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, said the next Iranian president would not relinquish the country\u2019s nuclear program. At this point, it\u2019s clear that a nuclear Iran would pose a grave threat to American security\u2014so what should Washington do about it?  <\/p>\n<p>At present, the two most widely discussed methods in Washington for dealing with Iran\u2019s WMD ambitions are appeasing the Iranian regime through economic incentives or taking some form of military action against it. But on April 14, speakers at the 2005 National Convention for a Democratic, Secular Republic in Iran insisted that there is a third option which all Iranians and Americans can rally behind.  <\/p>\n<p>Hundreds of Iranian-American delegates traveled from across the United States to attend the event, which was held at the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C. Speakers included Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders, all of whom encouraged religious tolerance and expressed support for the rights of those fighting against intolerance in Iran. The convention\u2019s participants included family members of persons executed by the Iranian government, scholars, scientists, academics, and professionals. Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), joined by Congressmen Bob Filner (D-CA), Ted Poe (R-TX), and Dennis Moor (D-KS), also spoke at the event.  <\/p>\n<p>In a mood reminiscent of American campaign conventions, the high-energy crowd held placards declaring their aspirations for a democratic and secular Iran; they also made reference to the people and organizations they believe are the ones to make their aspirations reality. <\/p>\n<p>A common image at the convention was that of Maryam Rajavi, the president elect of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a major Iranian opposition coalition. The NCRI was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the U.S. Department of State in 1999. State contends that the NCRI is an alias for the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK) that is intensely focused on overthrowing the current Iranian government. <\/p>\n<p>The MEK\u2019s addition to the terror list coincided with the 1997 election of President Mohamed Khatami, a figure the Clinton administration was depending on to peacefully reform the Iranian regime from within. Many in Washington believe that the MEK\u2019s terror designation was a diplomatic concession to Iran. <\/p>\n<p>Khatami\u2019s term will conclude in August of this year and will leave behind a legacy of disappointment. Sadly, there is no reason for Washington to be optimistic about Iran\u2019s next president. Whoever holds the office next will merely serve Iran\u2019s theocratic oligarchy at the pleasure of its Supreme Leader. <\/p>\n<p>With Washington bewildered as to how to deal with the current Iran crisis, President Elect Rajavi and the NCRI seized what they saw as a golden opportunity. <\/p>\n<p>Mrs. Rajavi addressed the convention via a live satellite broadcast from her home in Auvers-sur-Oise, France. Unable to attend the event in person due to her organization\u2019s status in the United States, she took full advantage of her virtual presence in Washington to challenge the Bush administration to drop her organization from the terrorist list. <\/p>\n<p>Ms. Rajavi pointed out that her organization officially calls for a \u00ab\u00a0referendum for peaceful regime change in Iran and rejects any terrorism, violence and illegal and unjustified taking up of arms\u00a0\u00bb and also \u00ab\u00a0fully respects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.\u00a0\u00bb Quoting both President Bush and Thomas Jefferson to emphasize her vision, Mrs. Rajavi developed a strong case for her organization&rsquo;s removal from the FTO list. <\/p>\n<p>To be sure, the group consistently advocates for secular democracy in Iran, has made the world safer by revealing Tehran\u2019s secret nuclear weapons program and has identified Iranian government agents directly responsible for acts of terrorism in Europe and the Middle East. <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s inclusion on the FTO list limits the amount of progress the U.S. might make by partnering with a major Iranian group like the NCRI. Two former U.S. army officers who had recently served in Iraq and are personally familiar with members of the MEK residing in Ashraf city echoed the same concern during their address to the convention. <\/p>\n<p>Regardless of the obvious constraints the FTO list puts on the organization, the NCRI&rsquo;s plans for Iran remain ambitious. Mrs. Rajavi&rsquo;s position as an interim president is planned to last for only six months after the fall of the current Iranian regime. At the end of her interim term, free and monitored elections would be held throughout Iran. <\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, Mrs. Rajavi and the NCRI are pursuing what many of the convention&rsquo;s speakers referred to as \u00ab\u00a0The Third Option.\u00a0\u00bb The third option as stated by the NCRI suggests that change in Iran should be initiated by the Iranian people and sustained indigenously. This, too, is likely the method that a war-weary American public would prefer. <\/p>\n<p>Two recent Gallup polls show that Americans believe the current Iranian government is a significant threat to the United States, but they do not support a military solution to the Iran problem. That said, the third option may be exactly what the American public is looking for\u2014however, it will likely come as a shock to them to learn that the idea came from a group the U.S. government has branded a terrorist organization. <\/p>\n<p>The Iranian-Americans who attended the National Convention for a Secular, Democratic Republic in Iran showed sincere enthusiasm for the third option and did not appear deterred by the NCRI\u2019s terrorist label. The Iranian-American delegates at this event represented an impressive American subculture that has a clear understanding of the American political process and the situation on the ground in Iran, as well as a definitive vision for the future. Most importantly, they are willing to dedicate their resources to peaceful political activism in the U.S.  <\/p>\n<p>Policy makers in Washington would be wise to recognize the role of these Iranian-Americans in facilitating democracy in the Middle East. The National Convention for a Secular and Democratic Republic in Iran emboldened and legitimized the democratic process here in the U.S., which is something the religious extremists and terrorists currently running Iran would never do. Policy makers should also keep in mind that if these Iranian-American democrats were to have held their peaceful political event in Tehran, every organizer, speaker and participant would be likely have been sentenced to long prison terms, tortured and possibly executed. <\/p>\n<p>The time has clearly come to confront the Iranian threat head on. The third option may be the best option our policy makers have. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Emile_Tubiana (Emile_Tubiana)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 17h39: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Les Nouvelles d&rsquo;Israel. <br \/>Yediot Ahronot Net  <br \/>Neria Ofen locked away for six months  <\/p>\n<p>Right-winger faces detention <\/p>\n<p>Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz signs administrative detention order against Neria Ofen, suspected of planned terror attack against Palestinians <br \/>By Efrat Weiss  <\/p>\n<p>TEL AVIV &#8211; Neria Ofen, a 34-year-old father of four from the settlement of Yizhar, was arrested Sunday and placed in administrative detention in Ashkelon&rsquo;s Shikma Prison on suspicion that the man planned to murder Palestinians.  <br \/>Right-wingers have decried the arrest as the beginnings of a \u00ab\u00a0witchhunt.\u00a0\u00bb  <\/p>\n<p>Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz signed the administrative detention order against Ofen, and the order will stay in effect until September 30. According to settlers, Ofen was involved in the \u00ab\u00a0Defensive Shield\u00a0\u00bb movement, which tries to get soldiers to disobey commands to evacuate settlers.  <\/p>\n<p>Ofen was stopped with his family at the Hizma checkpoint and went peacefully with arresting security personnel.  <\/p>\n<p>As his wife was driving back home to Yizhar, a Molotov cocktail was thrown at her car while she was passing the northern West Bank village of Luban a-Sharqiya. There were no injuries.  <\/p>\n<p>Security sources said that this would not necessarily be the last time they would slap a right-wing radical with administrative detention. However, they said that this is not the beginning of a crackdown.  <\/p>\n<p>Right-wing reaction  <\/p>\n<p>Knesset Member Arieh Eldar (National Union) said, \u00ab\u00a0I want to bless the first administrative detention prisoner of Sharon&rsquo;s dictatorial reign and tell him, &lsquo;To be jailed is to be victorious.'\u00a0\u00bb  <\/p>\n<p>The Yesha Council warned against the slippery slope of using administrative detentions, an instrument of totalitarian regimes.  <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0The few democratic values left became this evening a thing of the past,\u00a0\u00bb the council said in a statement. The group has requested an emergency meeting with Mofaz.  <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0The order shows that the government is panicking, and it is applying measures that are neither democratic nor would stand the scrutiny of the courts,\u00a0\u00bb Yizhar Spokesman Yigal Ameti said. \u00ab\u00a0This is not the first time that this government has begun plunging us towards dictatorship. Good morning, Argentina.\u00a0\u00bb  <\/p>\n<p>The \u00ab\u00a0Women in Green\u00a0\u00bb movement promised it would not let administrative detentions stop its anti-disengagement activities.  <\/p>\n<p>This is not the first time a right-wing group has been slapped with administrative detention. However, Noam Federman of Hebron was placed under house arrest instead of being sent to prison.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Henri (Henri)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 15h29: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  En attendant, il y a beaucoup d&rsquo;ombre sur cette constitution. <br \/>Et pour ne pas attraper de coup de soleil, il vaut mieux voter non. <br \/>Mettons nos billes ensemble, et puis je serais moi le president, responsable de la redistribution. <br \/>Chat el hait hata ijik chaa. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Nao (Nao)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 14h40: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Soleil, votre rayon ne nous a guere eclaire helas.. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 11h15: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  SOLEIL, <br \/>Personne n&rsquo;a besoin de l&rsquo;avis de BEN STRAOUS KHANN pour voter oui ou non a la constipation europeenne qui sevit en Europe.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Soleil (Soleil)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 06h27: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Dominique Strauss Kahn et le parti socialiste vous dit  <br \/>de voter OUI a la Constitution Europeenne dans  <br \/>l&rsquo;interet de tous. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Mena (Mena)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 06h55: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> We are the champions ! (info # 010805\/5) [analyse sportive] <\/p>\n<p>Ilan Tsadik \u00a9 Metula News Agency <\/p>\n<p>Nous aurons une bonne f\u00eate de l\u2019ind\u00e9pendance, jeudi prochain, et gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 Maccabi Tel-Aviv, elle aura le go\u00fbt suave de la victoire. A l\u2019Olympiski Arena de Moscou, le festival pyrotechnique saluant le succ\u00e8s des jaunes est \u00e0 la hauteur de l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e8nement. Somptueux, car, en fait, tout avait \u00e9t\u00e9 pr\u00e9par\u00e9 pour f\u00eater un hypoth\u00e9tique triomphe de l\u2019\u00e9quipe locale, le CSKA Moscou. Mais les joueurs russes ont craqu\u00e9 psychologiquement devant l\u2019attente oppressante de leur public, de leurs sponsors \u2013 30 millions d\u2019Euros investis pour remporter la comp\u00e9tition \u2013 et de leurs supporters. Vendredi, ils s\u2019inclinaient face aux finalistes basques de Vitoria et tout \u00e0 l\u2019heure, ils perdaient encore devant les Ath\u00e9niens de Panathinaikos lors de la \u00ab petite finale \u00bb pour la troisi\u00e8me place.  <\/p>\n<p>On attendait donc CSKA-Maccabi en finale et on a vu Maccabi-Vitoria. Et \u00e0 l\u2019issue de la rencontre, \u00e0 Moscou, quelques heures seulement avant l\u2019ouverture des c\u00e9r\u00e9monies grandioses du 60\u00e8me anniversaire de la d\u00e9faite nazie, en pr\u00e9sence de 50 chefs d\u2019Etats, dont George Bush et Mosh\u00e9 Katzav (qui a assist\u00e9 \u00e0 la rencontre), 7&rsquo;000 Isra\u00e9liens chantant spontan\u00e9ment la Tikva \u00e0 capella, c\u2019est tout un symbole. Et maintenant, ils courent sur la Place Rouge, comme autant de Schtroumpfs jaunes, agitant des centaines de drapeaux bleus victorieux, porteurs de la m\u00eame \u00e9toile de sh\u00e9rif qu\u2019Adolf Hitler obligeait leurs grands-p\u00e8res \u00e0 se coudre sur la poitrine, sur le chemin sans retour de leur extermination. <\/p>\n<p>Pas de pathos, ce n\u2019est que du sport, mais je vous assure que cette all\u00e9gorie, r\u00e9unissant l\u2019embl\u00e8me de cette nation que les Allemands ont essay\u00e9 d\u2019\u00e9radiquer, et le m\u00eame embl\u00e8me, remportant la coupe d\u2019Europe dans un sport majeur, emplit l\u2019air lourd de souvenirs de la capitale russe. Cette finale fut \u00e9galement l\u2019occasion pour Maccabi de marquer son 50\u2019000\u00e8me point en coupe d\u2019Europe, de r\u00e9ussir le tr\u00e8s rare exploit de remporter l\u2019Euroleague deux ans de suite, et d\u2019\u00e9galer le record du Real Madrid quant au nombre de finales disput\u00e9es. <\/p>\n<p>En toute objectivit\u00e9, on peut constater ce soir que Maccabi Tel-Aviv n\u2019a pas seulement remport\u00e9 cette finale, mais qu\u2019elle est bel et bien la meilleure formation europ\u00e9enne, celle qui donne le la du basket europ\u00e9en. Ceci dit, m\u00eame si Tel-Aviv ne se trouve pas exactement en Europe. <\/p>\n<p>La preuve de cette supr\u00e9matie ? Tau Vitoria ! Belle \u00e9quipe, avec un c\u0153ur gros comme \u00e7a, du talent et des artistes, tel Luis Scola, ce virtuose argentin (21 points), qui avait remport\u00e9 pour son pays la m\u00e9daille d\u2019or olympique en Gr\u00e8ce. Et Jos\u00e9 Calderon, Maciaoskas, Vidal, Hansen, Kornel David et Tiago Splitter. Vitoria, qui n\u2019a jamais pu \u00e9branler s\u00e9rieusement la domination de Maccabi. Il y eut certes une passe difficile pour les jaunes, en fin de 3\u00e8me p\u00e9riode, mais les Isra\u00e9liens ont toujours men\u00e9 au score et ils ont rapidement repris leurs distances en derni\u00e8re p\u00e9riode. <\/p>\n<p>Autre signe de cette supr\u00e9matie : Maccabi n\u2019a pas bien jou\u00e9, elle n\u2019a pas donn\u00e9 sa productivit\u00e9 habituelle, comme lors de la rencontre de vendredi. Comme lors de ce Final Four en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Et dominer une comp\u00e9tition, au plus haut niveau, sans jouer son meilleur basket, c\u2019est faire la d\u00e9monstration de sa force. Ce soir,  Antony Parker, 12 points, a marqu\u00e9 la moiti\u00e9 des points de sa moyenne europ\u00e9enne. Vuicic, 13 points, n\u2019\u00e9tait pas non plus dans un jour faste. Mais, dans un grand club, il se trouve toujours des camarades pour \u00ab\u00a0faire le boulot\u00a0\u00bb lorsque les stars se cherchent. Ce soir, c\u2019\u00e9tait au tour de Komatos (13 points) de remplir les vides. Vendredi, ce furent Derek Sharf et Tal Burstein. Ce soir, aussi, le g\u00e9nie balte de Maccabi, \u00ab\u00a0Sharras\u00a0\u00bb, 22 points, a eu son rendement habituel. <\/p>\n<p>Mais la joie populaire l\u2019emporte sur l\u2019analyse sportive. A la fin de la partie, on a vu des sc\u00e8nes touchantes, \u00e0 l\u2019Olympiski, de bleus basques et de jaunes telaviviens, fraternellement m\u00e9lang\u00e9s, qui chantaient ensemble \u00e0 tue-t\u00eate. L\u2019ambiance, autour du parquet moscovite, fut, comme on le comprend, l\u2019une des plus sportives qu\u2019on ait connue au cours d\u2019une finale d\u2019Euroleague. A Tel-Aviv, sur la Place Rabin, pendant que j\u2019\u00e9cris ces lignes, ils sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 200&rsquo;000 \u00e0 danser et \u00e0 plonger dans la fontaine ; et il en arrive de plus en plus. Demain, il y aura encore beaucoup plus de monde au Parc du Yarkon, pour accueillir les idoles. Mais ce soir, au son des klaxons qui secouent Isra\u00ebl d\u2019Eilat \u00e0 Metula, la folie est parfaitement spontan\u00e9e ! <\/p>\n<p>Le score final ? Ah oui, c\u2019est vrai, j\u2019allais oublier : 90 \u00e0 78. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/b> le lundi 09 mai 2005 &#8211; 00h39: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Recette des cakes d\u2019Olivier. <\/p>\n<p>2 \u0153ufs. <br \/>200 Grammes de sucre en poudre. <br \/>420 Grammes de farine (Francine de pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence) <br \/>15 Centilitres d\u2019huile d\u2019arachide. <br \/>1 Cuill\u00e8re \u00e0 caf\u00e9 d\u2019\u00e9corce d\u2019orange. <br \/>1,5 paquets de levure alsacienne. <br \/>2 paquets de sucre vanill\u00e9. <\/p>\n<p>Battre bien blanc les \u0153ufs et le sucre, ajouter l\u2019\u00e9corce d\u2019orange, le sucre vanill\u00e9 puis ajouter l\u2019huile, la farine tamis\u00e9e et la levure. <\/p>\n<p>Une fois la p\u00e2te bien p\u00e9trie, la mettre quelques heures au frigidaire (tr\u00e8s important). <br \/>Au sortir du frigo, travailler et fa\u00e7onner les cakes ou des b\u00e2tonnets de douze centim\u00e8tre de long et de l\u2019\u00e9paisseur d\u2019un petit doigt, \u00e0 mettre dans le plateau huil\u00e9 ou sur du papier sulfuris\u00e9 bien s\u00e9par\u00e9s les uns des autres. (Ils triplent de volume apr\u00e8s cuisson) <\/p>\n<p>Avec cette quantit\u00e9 de p\u00e2te on fait une cinquantaine de b\u00e2tonnets, ou une quarantaine de cakes, cuits en deux fourn\u00e9es. <\/p>\n<p>Four pr\u00e9chauff\u00e9 \u00e0 thermostats 200\u00b0 ou 180 si c\u2019est un four \u00e0 chaleur tournante, la cuisson ne dure pas plus de quinze minutes au grand maximum, l\u2019id\u00e9al \u00e9tant douze minutes. <br \/>Si la cuisson dure plus longtemps, ils perdent leurs friabilit\u00e9s et deviennent durs \u00e0 croquer. <\/p>\n<p>Olivier est n\u00e9 a Bruxelles, il est tunisien par feu sa m\u00e9re ma cousine Jacqueline Ankri, Olivier est aussi Ashkenaze par son p\u00e9re. <\/p>\n<p>pour parvenir a preparer a la perfection la recette des cakes de nos grand m\u00e9res. <\/p>\n<p>Ce charmant garcon qui est un fin gourmet, a mis au point avec beaucoup d&rsquo;amour, de patience et d&rsquo;inombrables exp\u00e9riences cette superbe recette de cakes. <\/p>\n<p>Victor Cohen.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Nao (Nao)<\/b> le dimanche 08 mai 2005 &#8211; 22h16: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Apres Tarik Ramadan, que nous avons devoile, voila Malek Chebel.  <\/p>\n<p>Malek Chebel est n\u00e9 en 1953 en Alg\u00e9rie. Anthropologue et psychanalyste (hum!), sp\u00e9cialiste du monde arabe et de l&rsquo;islam. Personne ne conna\u00eet mieux que lui l&rsquo;art d&rsquo;aimer en islam parait-il <br \/>Il a pr\u00e9fac\u00e9 le Coran, et publi\u00e9 de nombreux ouvrages (regardez bien les titres tres avant-guardistes!), dont  <br \/>&#8211; Le corps en islam \u00a0\u00bb (PUF, 1984), <br \/>&#8211; L&rsquo;esprit de s\u00e9rail. Mythes et pratiques sexuels au Maghreb \u00a0\u00bb (Payot Poche, 1995), <br \/>&#8211; Encyclop\u00e9die de l&rsquo;amour en islam \u00a0\u00bb (Payot, 1995). <br \/>-Anthologie du vin et de l&rsquo;ivresse en islam (Seuil) (pas tres musulman tt ca..) <br \/>-Dictionnaire amoureux de l&rsquo;Islam (Plon) (ah bon on peut etre amoureux de l&rsquo;Islam?)   <br \/>&#8211; Manifeste pour un islam des Lumi\u00e8res ; 27 propositions pour faire bouger l&rsquo;islam \u00a0\u00bb (Hachette Litt\u00e9ratures). <\/p>\n<p>Difficile de dire si islamiste masqu\u00e9 ou si musulman un tantinet devoy\u00e9??? Mais certainement negationniste selon Anne-Marie Delcambre, Islamologue et Prof d&rsquo;Arabe. <\/p>\n<p>Nous avons tous compris que ds le monde musulman certains font dans le negationnisme (Ex la participation du grand Mufti de Jeru a elaboration de la solution finale avec Hitler..).  <br \/>Enfin une derniere remarque perso avant de vous livrer l&rsquo;article, c&rsquo;est que nous si nous n&rsquo;avons pas vu le communisme et le fascisme arriver avec son lot de malheurs et de barbarie, nous avons compris tres vite que l&rsquo;islamisme voulait dominer le monde! Chat echaud\u00e9 craint l&rsquo;eau froide dit-on..    <br \/>Voici l&rsquo;article de Delcambre amicalement transmis par Michka.   <br \/>********************************************************* <br \/>[D\u00e9j\u00e0 publi\u00e9 par Nao <br \/>Nao (Nao) le vendredi 06 mai 2005 &#8211; 23h34:   <br \/>Un article transmis par Michka ]  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Douda (Douda)<\/b> le dimanche 08 mai 2005 &#8211; 19h28: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  La Douda : ( Hak El Ouet International Tracking Station )  <\/p>\n<p>Ch\u00e8re Lalla, ce texte que nous vous d\u00e9dions bien volontiers, n&rsquo;est pas une \u00a0\u00bb Profession de Foi \u00ab\u00a0, mais une l\u00e9g\u00e8re tentative de compr\u00e9hension, et vous n&rsquo;avez nullement \u00e0 vous excuser, d&rsquo;avoir des divergences d&rsquo;opinion,,, <\/p>\n<p>Le Ftileur : LA CR\u00c9DULIT\u00c9&#8230;quatri\u00e8me \u00e9poque. <\/p>\n<p>Mais qui donc pourrait suivre en toutes ses phases l\u2019hallucinante image qui entra\u00eene l&rsquo;homme sur le Plan des cr\u00e9ations fictives de l&rsquo;Esprit illumin\u00e9 par la ferveur d&rsquo;une croyance, f\u00fbt-elle celle du vieux Jacobin r\u00e9clamant la Marseillaise \u00e0 son lit de mort, ou celle de Jean de la Croix expirant dans l&rsquo;extase ?  <\/p>\n<p>Si l\u2019analyste peut s&rsquo;attaquer aux pas de la Cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9 et de la Croyance dans la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du Monde, il ne peut que s&rsquo;arr\u00eater aux portes de la mort car le pont que la Foi jette au-del\u00e0 sur un ab\u00eeme de myst\u00e8re est une voie solitaire et irr\u00e9versible que nul vivant ne peut tenter.   <\/p>\n<p>S&rsquo;il en est ainsi, force est faite de conclure en demeurant sur le Plan de la Vie, dans la le\u00e7on <br \/>existentielle des faits. <\/p>\n<p>Aussi bas soit son \u00e9tiage, la Cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9 est d\u00e9j\u00e0 pouvoir spirituel, car celui de se tromper grossi\u00e8rement comporte aussi celui de choisir. Elle commence, au-dessous de l&rsquo;\u00e9chelle humaine avec la grenouille qui gobe le chiffon rouge et se fait prendre \u00e0 l\u2019hame\u00e7on. Mais la pierre est indiff\u00e9rente au chiffon rouge. La Cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9 est donc propri\u00e9t\u00e9 de la mati\u00e8re vivante,  ici, le <br \/>probl\u00e8me est le m\u00eame, que la mati\u00e8re vivante soit issue du souffle de Dieu ou du travail spontan\u00e9 de la Mati\u00e8re inerte, car le temps, les processus possibles et leurs \u00e9tapes ne sont que contingences d&rsquo;une N\u00e9cessit\u00e9, que le d\u00e9veloppement d&rsquo;une spire d\u2019un ressort infini.   <\/p>\n<p>Et cette N\u00e9cessit\u00e9 d\u00e9passe la Contingence comme le ressort la spire.  Dans la Contingence qui peut \u00eatre ainsi ou autrement, dans cette recherche de nourriture conduisant au succ\u00e8s ou \u00e0 l&rsquo; \u00e9chec, il est necessaire pour qu&rsquo;il y ait choix possible que les Sens que la vie met en oeuvre soient orient\u00e9s, Ils le sont par l&rsquo;Analogie et l\u2019Analogie est une pr\u00e9connaissance de la Mati\u00e8re vivante qui est d\u00e9j\u00e0 intelligence la grenouille prendra le chiffon rouge comme la chair, mais non le chiffon noir.  <\/p>\n<p>Cette intelligence est pure cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9 naturelle, comme celle de l&rsquo;hu\u00eetre qui ouvre sa coquille \u00e0 la sensation d&rsquo;une fausse mar\u00e9e. Dans l&rsquo;analogue il y a du semblable et du dissemblable du M\u00eame et de l&rsquo;Autre, Assembl\u00e9s dans une figure, l\u2019intelligences les reconna\u00eet en allant vers eux comme l&rsquo;aimant vers le fer. Mais Si l\u2019un d&rsquo;eux pr\u00e9sente deux p\u00f4les d&rsquo;attraction, comme dans la <br \/>sym\u00e9trie, l&rsquo;intelligence oscille, et pour qu&rsquo;une d\u00e9cision intervienne, elle doit au pr\u00e9alable regrouper les \u00e9l\u00e9ments semblables, les parcourir, les mesurer, les replacer dans l&rsquo;ensemble, bref en cr\u00e9er une image fictive o\u00f9 la partie prend valeur fonctionnelle dans un Tout.  <\/p>\n<p>Comment s&rsquo;\u00e9tonner alors que l&rsquo;on ait pu croire par analogie que ce qui se meut comme la Vie soit vivant, tel le vent, l&rsquo;eau,  le feu ? Que ce qui gronde comme la col\u00e8re, le Tonnerre,la Mer, les Volcans soient sous l&#8217;empire de la col\u00e8re ?  Et maintenant, reprenant ces images o\u00f9 la partie est crue fonction du Tout, on d\u00e9couvre l&rsquo;intelligence initi\u00e9e au rapport des parties, \u00e0 l&rsquo;ordre et au d\u00e9sordre, \u00e0 l&rsquo;harmonie et la d\u00e9sharmonie, \u00e0 la Beaut\u00e9 et \u00e0 la laideur, au Bien et au Mal.  <\/p>\n<p>Cette conception est croyance, et cette croyance est le ressort de l&rsquo;Esprit, c\u2019est-\u00e0 dire de l&rsquo;intelligence r\u00e9cognitive cr\u00e9atrice. C&rsquo;est en cr\u00e9ant fictivement le Beau, le Bon, le Bien, le parfait sur l&rsquo;imperfection du Monde que l&rsquo;Esprit est cr\u00e9ateur.  Cr\u00e9ateur d&rsquo;un Monde id\u00e9al qui n&rsquo;est pas de ce Monde. <\/p>\n<p>Pourtant il le voudrait de ce Monde. Cr\u00e9ateur de L\u00e9gendes qui sont report au Pass\u00e9 r\u00e9volu d&rsquo;un fait, \u00e9v\u00e9nement ou action pour l&rsquo;illussion du Pr\u00e9sent. Cela n&rsquo;est pas certes; mais cela pourrait \u00eatre plus facilement si cela avait \u00e9t\u00e9. C&rsquo;est l&rsquo;effort de l&rsquo;Esprit pour objectiver son Id\u00e9al.   <\/p>\n<p>De quoi ce mod\u00e8le id\u00e9al est-il fait ? De multiples ravissements qu&rsquo;il a en \u00e7a et l\u00e0 comme en des \u00e9clairs de lumi\u00e8re, dans la forme de cette fleur, le coloris de ce ciel, la voix de cet oiseau, la fid\u00e9lit\u00e9 de ce chien, les yeux de <br \/>cette femme, le courage de cet homme..    <\/p>\n<p>La Croyance est unit\u00e9 de la Personne spirituelle, comme l&rsquo;allure unit\u00e9 de la Personne physique, et c&rsquo;est pourquoi elle appara\u00eet comme un bloc r\u00e9sistant \u00e0 la preuve m\u00eame dans son absurdit\u00e9.  Elle est la conviction de l&rsquo;Esprit comme la sensation est celle du Corps. Intime \u00e9vidence, elle se dissimule presque toujours par r\u00e9action de pudeur comme pour le corps quand il faut le montrer nu.  La Croyance peut \u00eatre de deux natures, selon que son Id\u00e9al fictif est esp\u00e9r\u00e9 dans la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du monde ou dans un <br \/>au-del\u00e0.  On peut croire \u00e0 une vie paradisiaque sur terre future par l&rsquo;av\u00e8nement du Communisme, de l&rsquo;Anarchie, de la Fraternit\u00e9, des robots atomiques, de l&rsquo;Economie distributive, bref de tout ce dont on ne peut juger exactement, car le jugement est comme la vie que l&rsquo;on ne peut conna\u00eetre qu&rsquo;\u00e0 la mort; on peut juger aujourd&rsquo;hui le gouvernement de Louis XVI, mais on ne peut que croire au pr\u00e9jugement port\u00e9 sur celui de la future V\u00e8me. R\u00e9publique.   <\/p>\n<p>Croyance pr\u00e9caire, comme on le voit, tant les \u00e9preuves du monde sont d\u00e9cevantes.  Si l&rsquo;id\u00e9al est esp\u00e9r\u00e9 hors du monde, sur le Plan d&rsquo;une Survie d\u00e9pouill\u00e9e des imperfections du monde, on est du moins certain de n&rsquo;\u00eatre pas d\u00e9\u00e7u.   Mais du monde ou hors du monde, la Croyance \u00e9tant la proie facile du doute a besoin d&rsquo;aliments pour vivre comme la plante a besoin d&rsquo;eau pour <br \/>fleurir,  Celle du monde a ses L\u00e9gendes qu&rsquo;il suffit de rappeler, ses Th\u00e9ories les plus funestes, ses Messies fins pourvoyeurs <br \/>de promesses \u00e9lectorales, ses sois disant Miracles, ses objets dits symboliques,,,  Celle de l&rsquo;au-del\u00e0, offre des d\u00e9luges, des tables grav\u00e9es par le feu du Ciel, des r\u00e9surrections, ses Dieux vivants, ses Livres saaints, ses Symboles sacr\u00e9s, et ses Arm\u00e9es,,,   Mais croire et \u00eatre Sa croyance, mais vouloir et pouvoir, sont deux faces d&rsquo;une m\u00eame pi\u00e8ce s\u00e9par\u00e9es par <br \/>l&rsquo;\u00e9paisseur de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 de tous les jours qui les emp\u00eache de fusionner.. <\/p>\n<p> Les concepts, les \u00e9crits, les symboles, l\u2019Eternel, font le Croyant, mais sentis comme le  fils, comme un morceau ext\u00e9rieur dont il n&rsquo;est jamais certain de sa propre l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9.  C&rsquo;est pourquoi la Nature qui, par essence est effort de centrage dans la Personne peut intervenir brusquement comme elle le fait dans le r\u00eave ou l&rsquo;amn\u00e9sie brutale dans l&rsquo;esprit en d\u00e9sarroi, dans la passion d&rsquo;amour, pour effacer l&rsquo;\u00e9paisseur g\u00eanante, pour r\u00e9tablir le dynamisme n\u00e9cessaire de la Personne.  <\/p>\n<p>Nous en arrivons \u00e0 pr\u00e9sent alors l&rsquo;id\u00e9al absolu, qui prenant possession de l&rsquo;Homme, institue le miracle de la Foi.  La Foi, qui est fascination de l\u2019homme par l&rsquo;objet de son id\u00e9al, appara\u00eet incompr\u00e9hensible \u00e0 celui qui ne l&rsquo;a pas, l&rsquo;objet fascinant pour l&rsquo;Autre n&rsquo;\u00e9tant pour lui qu&rsquo;objet.  Ainsi Pascal peut-il \u00e9crire \u00abLa Foi est diff\u00e9rente de la preuve; l&rsquo;une est humaine, l&rsquo;autre est un don du Divin. Justus ex fide vivit&#8230;.Cette Foi est dans le coeur, et fait dire : non scio mais credo\u00bb.(Pascal. Pens\u00e9e 248), aussi pourrait on ajouter un don de la providence.  <\/p>\n<p>La Foi est donc connaissance de celui qui la poss\u00e9de, non pas par t\u00e9moignages re\u00e7us mais par sympathie enti\u00e8re avec un \u00eatre, ou un id\u00e9al absolu &#8211; comme celle de Fran\u00e7ois avec j\u00e9sus au point d&rsquo;en avoir les stigmates &#8211; en tant qu&rsquo;elle initie \u00e0 une autre pens\u00e9e d&rsquo;amour, comme celle qui peut surgir du \u00abaimez-vous les uns les autres comme je vous ai aim\u00e9s\u00bb.  C&rsquo;est <br \/>pourquoi la Foi, r\u00e9alisant enfin l&rsquo;unit\u00e9 de la Personne comme un bloc, peut affronter ce qui semble impossible \u00e0 l&rsquo;Homme qui tra\u00eene la p\u00e9nible dualit\u00e9 du doute, et qu&rsquo;on la dit capable de transporter les montagnes.   <\/p>\n<p>C&rsquo;est un moyen magique qui se joue de l&rsquo;hostilit\u00e9 du Monde et de la perfidie de la Contingence.  Mais n&rsquo;a pas la Foi qui veut, <br \/>comme aussi n&rsquo;est pas incr\u00e9dule qui veut. Heureux l&rsquo;Homme qui a une Foi ! Car c&rsquo;est un grand initi\u00e9 qui \u00e9chappe \u00e0 la contingence du Monde.  <\/p>\n<p>En r\u00e9sum\u00e9 on pourrait envisager les trois forme du verbe croire comme ainsi formul\u00e9s :  la cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9 peut mener \u00e0 l&rsquo;asservissement de l\u2019humain voire \u00e0 la secte, la croyance conduit \u00e0 la religion, et la foi l\u2019\u00e9l\u00e9vation de l\u2019\u00eatre vers son id\u00e9al. <\/p>\n<p>La cr\u00e9dulit\u00e9, fin ,,,  <\/p>\n<p>Salut \u00e0 Toutes et Tous,,,  <\/p>\n<p>Wnessou El Douda <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>A_Soued (A_Soued)<\/b> le dimanche 08 mai 2005 &#8211; 19h05: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> ILS R\u00c9COLTENT CE QU&rsquo;ILS ONT SEM\u00c9 <\/p>\n<p>Article de Thomas L Friedman paru dans le New York Times du 4 mai 2005 <\/p>\n<p>Traduit par Albert Soued, www.chez.com\/soued\/conf.htm <\/p>\n<p>Pour www.nuitdorient.com <\/p>\n<p>Ces derni\u00e8res semaines, non seulement l&rsquo;Irak a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9stabilis\u00e9 par de multiples attentats <\/p>\n<p>\u00e0 la bombe-suicide, mais l&rsquo;Egypte et l&rsquo;Arabie Saoudite ont elles aussi subi des attaques similaires par des \u00ab\u00a0jihadistes\u00a0\u00bb fanatiques. Comment trouve-t-on autant de gens pr\u00eats \u00e0 se suicider sur commande, jour apr\u00e8s jour? Que se passe-t-il ? <\/p>\n<p>Dans une certaine mesure, le monde arabo-islamique ne fait que r\u00e9colter ce qu&rsquo;il a sem\u00e9. Quand ces attentats \u00e9taient dirig\u00e9s contre des Isra\u00e9liens, nombre d&rsquo;intellectuels et de leaders religieux et politiques chantaient les louanges de l&rsquo;attentat-suicide. Maintenant ils voient comment cette arme du nihilisme \u2013 autrefois sanctifi\u00e9e et glorifi\u00e9e \u2013peut \u00eatre utilis\u00e9e contre leur propre soci\u00e9t\u00e9. Ce n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas juste hier de l&rsquo;utiliser contre des Juifs et ce n&rsquo;est pas juste aujourd&rsquo;hui de l&rsquo;utiliser contre des Musulmans. On ne peut pas construire une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9cente sur les tombes de ces gens qui se font sauter et sur celles de leurs victimes. <\/p>\n<p>Mais ces attentats sont aussi le signe que le combat important que m\u00e8nent les Etats-Unis <\/p>\n<p>pour tenter d&rsquo;\u00e9riger la d\u00e9mocratie en Irak a fait mouche. Le biographe et traducteur de l&rsquo;\u00e9crivain \u00e9gyptien Naguib Mahfouz, Raymond Stock, qui est aussi mon ami, a longtemps r\u00e9sid\u00e9 au Caire. Il pr\u00e9tend que nous assistons aujourd&rsquo;hui aussi bien \u00e0 Bagdad, \u00e0 Riyad qu&rsquo;au Caire \u00e0 l'\u00a0\u00bbincarnation\u00a0\u00bb moderne de plusieurs guerres profond\u00e9ment enracin\u00e9es dans les mentalit\u00e9s et qui s&#8217;embo\u00eetent les unes dans les autres. C&rsquo;est d&rsquo;abord la vieille guerre en Islam entre les \u00ab\u00a0Rationalistes\u00a0\u00bb et les \u00ab\u00a0Traditionalistes\u00a0\u00bb, qui remonte au 9\u00e8me si\u00e8cle \u00e0 Bagdad. S&rsquo;ajoute la lutte ardente entre fr\u00e8res \u00ab\u00a0sunnites\u00a0\u00bb et shiites\u00a0\u00bb qui remonte au temps des premiers califes et n\u00e9e des conflits de succession. Et puis il y a la confrontation Islam-Occident qui remonte aux premi\u00e8res conqu\u00eates arabes du 7\u00e8me si\u00e8cle et aux Croisades. <\/p>\n<p>Dans l&rsquo;incarnation moderne de chacun de ces conflits, les tenants de la minorit\u00e9 \u00ab\u00a0sunnite \u2013 traditionaliste &#8211; jihadiste\u00a0\u00bb sont en train de perdre la guerre. D&rsquo;o\u00f9 leur acharnement et leur violence, pour ne pas perdre un monde r\u00e9volu qu&rsquo;ils cherchent \u00e0 perp\u00e9tuer, et qui est rejet\u00e9 par d&rsquo;autres Arabes et d&rsquo;autres Musulmans qui n&rsquo;ont pas la m\u00eame vision de l&rsquo;avenir. <\/p>\n<p>R Stock me dit \u00ab\u00a0Les \u00e9lections en Irak ont \u00e9t\u00e9 un v\u00e9ritable choc pour ces militants jihadistes. Ils avaient menac\u00e9 leurs compatriotes \u00ab\u00a0tu votes-tu meurs\u00a0\u00bb et ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9fi\u00e9s par des millions d&rsquo;Irakiens qui leur ont dit en votant \u00ab\u00a0je vote-je d\u00e9cide\u00a0\u00bb. Et ce qu&rsquo;ils ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9, ce n&rsquo;est pas \u00ab\u00a0d&rsquo;ob\u00e9ir \u00e0 l&rsquo;Am\u00e9rique\u00a0\u00bb, mais de construire leur propre soci\u00e9t\u00e9 arabe, ouverte \u00e0 la modernit\u00e9, avec une interpr\u00e9tation de l&rsquo;Islam qui permette l&rsquo;innovation, le progr\u00e8s et l&rsquo;adaptation au monde qui \u00e9volue\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>Les forces du jihad n&rsquo;aiment pas du tout cette libert\u00e9 de choix et voient la lutte pour la d\u00e9mocratie comme une invention du diable, une abomination par rapport \u00e0 leurs croyances: interpr\u00e9tation litt\u00e9rale de l&rsquo;Islam, rejet de la modernit\u00e9, de l&rsquo;\u00e9mancipation de la femme et du pluralisme politique ou religieux. <\/p>\n<p>Abou Moussab al Zarqaoui, le jihadiste jordanien qui est derri\u00e8re la plupart des attentats en Irak a bien r\u00e9sum\u00e9 la situation dans une d\u00e9claration de janvier 2005: \u00ab\u00a0On doit s&rsquo;opposer \u00e0 la d\u00e9mocratie parce qu&rsquo;elle signifie qu&rsquo;on peut choisir sa foi, et ceci est contraire \u00e0 la loi d&rsquo;Allah\u2026\u00d4 peuple d&rsquo;Irak o\u00f9 est votre honneur? Avez-vous d\u00e9j\u00e0 accept\u00e9 l&rsquo;oppression de ces putains de Crois\u00e9s? \u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Zarqaoui et ses alli\u00e9s saoudiens et \u00e9gyptiens essaient de d\u00e9faire l&rsquo;Am\u00e9rique et sa coalition au c\u0153ur m\u00eame de l&rsquo;univers arabo-musulman, mais Zarqaoui et Cie sont en train de perdre la guerre et ils le savent, d&rsquo;o\u00f9 leur extr\u00eame violence et leur sauvagerie. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Ils ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 perdu la bataille avec leurs cong\u00e9n\u00e8res, dans leur propre communaut\u00e9, car ils sont incapables de leur offrir un avenir tangible. Ces jihadistes-sunnites-traditionalistes commencent \u00e0 s&rsquo;affoler au prix de 3 \u00e0 4 attentas-suicide par jour. Ils savent que si la d\u00e9mocratie s&rsquo;installe dans cette partie du monde, ils sont refaits\u00a0\u00bb, dit Raymond Stock. \u00ab\u00a0La majorit\u00e9 de la population n&rsquo;adh\u00e8re ni \u00e0 leurs m\u00e9thodes, ni \u00e0 la plupart de leurs id\u00e9es et ne veut pas vivre la vie des Talibans. Si la d\u00e9mocratie se propage dans le monde arabe, ce ne sera pas forc\u00e9ment avec des sentiments pro-am\u00e9ricains, mais des sentiments surtout de \u00ab\u00a0survie\u00a0\u00bb et non de \u00ab\u00a0suicide\u00a0\u00bb. La culture de la vie aura eu raison du \u00ab\u00a0culte de la mort\u00a0\u00bb. La couverture r\u00e9cente du magazine \u00e9gyptien Rose al Youssef montre deux chanteuses pop arabes connues, avec le commentaire \u00ab\u00a0Plus fortes que l&rsquo;extr\u00e9misme\u00a0\u00bb. <\/p>\n<p>C&rsquo;est vrai, nous avons un long et dur combat \u00e0 mener en Irak; c&rsquo;est vrai aussi que les forces de la d\u00e9cence morale et du pluralisme avancent lentement, mais s\u00fbrement. Cela ne se fera pas en un clin d&rsquo;\u0153il. L&rsquo;arm\u00e9e am\u00e9ricaine et le nouveau gouvernement librement \u00e9lu ne contr\u00f4lent pas encore la totalit\u00e9 du terrain. Il faudra certainement trouver le moyen d&rsquo;int\u00e9grer des sunnites r\u00e9alistes, voire m\u00eame des jihadistes d\u00e9\u00e7us, s&rsquo;ils souhaitent participer \u00e0 un avenir meilleur de leur pays. <\/p>\n<p>Les \u00ab\u00a0m\u00e9chants\u00a0\u00bb ne gagneront pas cette guerre; mais les \u00ab\u00a0bons\u00a0\u00bb non plus, s&rsquo;ils ne tendent pas la main \u00e0 tous ceux qui se sont fourvoy\u00e9s dans une lutte sans issue (1). <\/p>\n<p>Note du traducteur: <\/p>\n<p>(1) Ce genre de conclusion me sid\u00e8re, car il faudrait que Mr Friedman, un homme intelligent tenant compte de propos sens\u00e9s de son ami Raymond Stock, m&rsquo;explique comment on fait pour int\u00e9grer des terroristes dans un pouvoir dit d\u00e9mocratique!\u2026 <\/p>\n<p>Reaping What It Sowe <\/p>\n<p>By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN &#8211; NYTimes May 4, 2005 <\/p>\n<p>In the last few weeks not only has Iraq been destabilized by days with multiple suicide bombers, but Egypt and Saudi Arabia have also witnessed similar attacks by jihadist fanatics. How do you get so many people to commit suicide on demand, day after day? What&rsquo;s going on? <\/p>\n<p>In part the Arab-Muslim world is reaping something it sowed. Way too many Arab intellectuals and religious and political leaders were ready to extol suicide bombing when it was directed against Israelis. Now they are seeing how this weapon of nihilism &#8211; once sanctified and glorified &#8211; can be used against their own societies. It was wrong when it was used against Jews, and it is wrong when it is used against Muslims. You can&rsquo;t build a decent society on the graves of suicide bombers and their victims. <\/p>\n<p>But these bombings are also signs of the deeper struggle that the U.S. attempt to erect democracy in Iraq has touched off. My friend Raymond Stock, the biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz and a longtime resident of Cairo, argues that we are seeing in Baghdad, Cairo and Riyadh the modern incarnation of several deeply rooted and interlocking wars. These are, he said, the war within Islam between Traditionalists and Rationalists, which dates back to Baghdad in the ninth century; the struggle between ardent Sunnis and Shiites, which dates back to succession battles in early Islam; and the confrontation between Islam and the West, which dates back to the Arab conquests of the seventh century and the Crusades. <\/p>\n<p>In the modern incarnation of each of these struggles, members of the Sunni-Traditionalist-jihadist minority are losing. And the more that becomes evident, the more violent they will become &#8211; because their whole vision is in danger of being repudiated by fellow Arabs and Muslims. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0The Iraqi election was a total shock to the militant jihadist forces in the Arab-Muslim world,\u00a0\u00bb Mr. Stock noted. \u00ab\u00a0They warned Iraqis that &lsquo;you vote &#8211; you die,&rsquo; and instead millions of Iraqis said back to them, &lsquo;We vote &#8211; we decide.&rsquo; \u00a0\u00bb And the thing they are deciding on is not to be pro-American, not to be pro-Western, but to try to build their own Arab society in a way that will be open to modernism and interpretations of Islam that encourage innovation, adaptation and progress. <\/p>\n<p>The jihadist forces hate this notion. They see the struggle for democracy in Iraq as anathema to everything they stand for: a literalist interpretation of Islam, unsullied by modernity, adaptation, women&rsquo;s rights or political and religious pluralism. <\/p>\n<p>Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born jihadist behind much of the Iraq violence, spelled it all out in his declaration last January. Democracy must be opposed, he said, because it is based \u00ab\u00a0on the right to choose your religion,\u00a0\u00bb and that is \u00ab\u00a0against the rule of God.\u00a0\u00bb He added: \u00ab\u00a0Oh, people of Iraq, where is your honor? Have you accepted oppression of the Crusader harlots?\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Zarqawi and his Saudi and Egyptian allies are trying to defeat America and its allies in the heart of the Arab-Muslim world, but Zarqawi &amp; Co. are losing &#8211; and they know it. <\/p>\n<p>Having lost the argument with their own community, and unable to offer any program, the Sunni-Traditionalist-jihadists seem to have become totally unhinged, with people becoming suicide bombers at the rate of three and four a day. <\/p>\n<p>The jihadists \u00ab\u00a0know that if democracy comes to this part of the world, the Zarqawis and their ilk are done,\u00a0\u00bb Mr. Stock said. \u00ab\u00a0Because the majority of people do not buy their methods or most of their message. They don&rsquo;t want to live like the Taliban. If democracy manages to spread in the Arab world, it will not necessarily be pro-American, but it will definitely be pro-living, not pro-suicide. It will not be a cult of death, but a culture of life.\u00a0\u00bb A recent cover of a popular Egyptian magazine, Rose el-Youssef, Mr. Stock noted, shows two well-known female Arab pop singers under the headline: \u00ab\u00a0Stronger than Extremism.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>So yes, this is a big, deep struggle in Iraq. Yes, the forces of decency and pluralism are slowly winning. But it is not over &#8211; not by a long shot. The U.S. Army and the first freely elected Iraqi government still do not control all the terrain there. Unless we can help the Iraqis create a secure environment in their country, and unless their new government can find a way to integrate the more pragmatic Sunni Baathists, and even dejected jihadists, who want to be part of a better future for Iraq, that nation will not see self-sustaining democracy. The bad guys won&rsquo;t win, but neither will the good guys, and all we will have produced is a bloody stalemate. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Sarel (Sarel)<\/b> le dimanche 08 mai 2005 &#8211; 17h08: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> chers  amis  bonjour je  vais  traiter un  sujet connu  d&rsquo;une  facon assez  differente <br \/>Il  est recommande  au juif de  remplir  613 ordres }mitsvot} dans  sa  vie  d&rsquo;apres la thora ecrite par  les sages On sait tres  bien que personne ne peut les suivre totalement .C&rsquo;est clair que  chacun fait ce qu&rsquo;il peut d&rsquo;apres sa foi .Ce qui est certain est qu&rsquo;aucun ne fait les  memes mitsvot que l&rsquo;autre . <br \/>On va les  numeroter et il sera  plus  facile de suivre la conduite de chacun <br \/>On decouvrira  certainement que  chaque  personne a  son agenda  ou  bareme etabli d&rsquo;apres  les convictions intimes  <br \/>La difference des  chiffres dans les registres creent  la  discussion et  le refus d&rsquo;accepter une autre  facon  de  suivre la loi <br \/>Mais une condition doit rester absolue &lsquo;c&rsquo;est de rester dans le cadre des  613  <br \/>Ces  memes ordres {mitsvot}doivent etre remplis apres  l&rsquo;acceptation d&rsquo;une  force unique divine <br \/>Quand on ne  vole pas cela  ne doit pas decouler de la  peur de la police mais de la  crainte  de D. La facon de se  conduire vient apres qu&rsquo;on ait  <br \/>en soi  la  foi qui elle  par la suite nous aidera a passer  des  epreuves  dures de la vie <br \/>A mon avis la quantite des ordres remplis n&rsquo;augmente pas la  moralite ou le  vonlontarisme <br \/>de  venir a l&rsquo;aide ou de se sacrifier pour le peuple  <br \/>L&rsquo;essentiel est de rester dans ce cadre  meme  si on ne remplit q&rsquo;une seule  mitsva <br \/>Le danger apparait quand on commence a nier et puis a critiquer et enfin essayer de detruire  <br \/>Pour terminer  chacun restera  avec  ses  chiffres et  le  maximum d&rsquo;entente  <br \/>envers son voisin <br \/>Personne ne peut pretendre avoir plus raison q&rsquo;un <br \/>autre en se servant de la disposition de ses chiffres <br \/>J&rsquo;espere  que j&rsquo;ai ete clair parce que j&rsquo;ecris <br \/>toujours en  resume  <br \/>sarfati-sarel@bezeqint <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/>  Par <b>Meyer (Meyer)<\/b> le dimanche 08 mai 2005 &#8211; 16h51: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Dans le site en anglais du journal Haaretz, le compte-rendu de deux \u00e9missions qui sont pass\u00e9es \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision israelienne. <\/p>\n<p>Elles se rapportent au sort des Juifs d&rsquo;Afrique du Nord (Lybie, Tunisie, Alg\u00e9rie et Maroc) durant l&rsquo;occupation nazie de la seconde guerre mondiale. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.haaretz.com\/hasen\/spages\/572049.html\">http:\/\/www.haaretz.com\/hasen\/spages\/572049.html<\/a> <br \/>Last update &#8211; 01:50 04\/05\/2005 <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"description\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/14649.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<p>Partisans de Hitler et de Mussolini en Lybie en 1943 <\/p>\n<p>Everyone&rsquo;s Holocaust <br \/>By Goel Pinto <\/p>\n<p>When Pesach came, Alfonso Reginiano&rsquo;s mother brought out two hard-boiled eggs that she had saved for three months, ever since their arrival at Bergen-Belsen camp, and cut them into 21 pieces, one for each member of the family. Reginiano, who was born in Libya and survived the Nazi concentration camp, tells of the humiliation and hunger he experienced in the documentary film \u00ab\u00a0Hashoah Halo Noda&rsquo;at Shel Yehudei Tsfon Africa\u00a0\u00bb (The Unknown Holocaust of North African Jewry), which will be broadcast this evening on Channel 1. <\/p>\n<p>Shalom Arbiv, also a native of Libya, who survived the Sidi Azaz camp, tells of his transfer to the camp, located 100 kilometers from Tripoli. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0They shot people like flies,\u00a0\u00bb he testifies in the film, \u00ab\u00a0and beat them mercilessly with sticks.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>The story of Libyan Jewry is also the subject of \u00ab\u00a0Mitripoli Lebergen Belsen\u00a0\u00bb (From Tripoli to Bergen-Belsen), which will also be broadcast this evening, on Yes. The film opens with a scene from the trial of Adolph Eichmann, but unlike many Holocaust films, these pictures are shown to tell the story of those whose testimonies were deemed superfluous to the trial of the German criminal. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0When North African Jewry wanted to tell their story at the Eichmann trial,\u00a0\u00bb says Dr. Irit Abromski-Bligh of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial Authority, \u00ab\u00a0they were told, `You do not belong to this story.'\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>No comparison <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0From Tripoli to Bergen-Belsen,\u00a0\u00bb directed by Marco Carmel, is the first of two documentary films combined under the title, \u00ab\u00a0Sh&rsquo;eila Shel Zman\u00a0\u00bb (A Matter of Time. The two films, each about an hour long, deal with the fate of North African Jewry during WWII. The second film, \u00ab\u00a0Goral Meshutaf\u00a0\u00bb (Shared Fate), directed by Serj Ankari, follows the tribulations of the Jews of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. The two films raise many questions, the first of which is how is it that so many Israelis are unaware that the German reach extended to North Africa. <\/p>\n<p>This question makes the two films all the more important. The two directors faced a difficulty that does not confront the creators of documentary films on the Holocaust experiences of European Jews. While films about the European Holocaust &#8211; which are part of a known historical context &#8211; can focus on personal stories, testimonies and experiences, Ankari and Carmel had to create a documentary film largely devoted to history &#8211; to setting the general context &#8211; and could therefore focus less on personal testimonies. <\/p>\n<p>The title of the combined program, \u00ab\u00a0Sh&rsquo;eila Shel Zman,\u00a0\u00bb illustrates the point that had the Germans continued their conquests, North African Jewry would have suffered the same fate as European Jewry. Author and journalist Claude Sitbon says in the film, \u00ab\u00a0What happened to us, compared to [what happened to] 6 million Jews, of whom a million were children; how do you dare compare those numbers to your hundreds of dead? As I see it, and this is what&rsquo;s most important, is the paramount need of Israeli society to say: The Nazi problem is a problem for the Jewish people. If this had been mentioned in the 1950s, we would not have become alienated in Israel. Perhaps Tunisian Jewry was saved, but we must not forget the Nazis&rsquo; overall plan.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Carmel&rsquo;s film presents the experience of Libyan Jewry, most of whom were sent to the Jado camp in their home country. With the Italian invasion of Libya, the Jews&rsquo; citizenship was revoked and they were subjected to new rules, involving the revocation of their basic rights. After the Allied victory in Libya, it appeared that the Jews had been saved &#8211; even though many of them were killed in bombings by the British &#8211; but then the Italian army returned and transferred the Jews to the Jado camp. <\/p>\n<p>Jado was not a death camp, says Abromski-Bligh, but many incarcerated there, mainly those with British citizenship, were sent to Bergen-Belsen. Many of the Jews who were left in Jado perished, mostly from typhoid, which ravaged the camp. The film explains that one of the reasons that not everyone was transferred to extermination camps in Europe was that the Nazis feared the Jews would bring diseases with them. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0I focused on Libya,\u00a0\u00bb says Carmel, \u00ab\u00a0because the Nazis really took over there, with many concentration camps and many being sent to Bergen-Belsen. Although these were different numbers, far smaller than the figures with which we are familiar from the European Holocaust, it was still a Holocaust. In the film, I do not quote numbers, or count the dead and injured, in order not to quantify the death. It was important to me to stress what happened there and provide a broader picture of the Holocaust of the Jewish people. I did not touch the memory of the European Holocaust at all; I only mention that we were there, too. <\/p>\n<p>In \u00ab\u00a0Goral Meshutaf,\u00a0\u00bb Ankari presents the experience of the Jews in northwest Africa &#8211; Morocco and Algeria, and mainly Tunisia. Moroccan Jewry was unaffected by the Holocaust, according to the film, but Algerian Jews lost their citizenship with the enactment of the Vichy laws in 1940. Some 120,000 Jews, who had until then considered themselves French, were affected. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0On the day it was announced,\u00a0\u00bb testifies Algerian-born Ruth Shahar in the film, \u00ab\u00a0I walked home from school and thought, `We&rsquo;re not French? I have only one option &#8211; suicide.'\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Many Algerian Jews enlisted in the anti-Nazi underground. They viewed Free French President Charles de Gaulle as their leader, while the French Christians in Algeria identified with Marshal Petain. Most of the Arabs rejoiced at the arrival of the Germans. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Germany was portrayed as an anti-colonialist, anti-French, anti-British power,\u00a0\u00bb says historian Michel Abitbol. \u00ab\u00a0That was enough for the Arab population to feel favorable toward Germany.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>A more bitter fate befell Tunisian Jewry. They were moved to about 10 labor camps and enslaved as forced laborers: They dug ditches for the German forces, built bridges and suffered terribly under the Nazi whip. The Jewish community was forced to provide infrastructure, food, heating and other comforts to the Germans and their prisoners. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Poor Jews were sent to the camps and forced labor, while rich Jews gave money and evaded that fate,\u00a0\u00bb says one witness. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Why didn&rsquo;t you flee?\u00a0\u00bb the interviewer asks one witness, as survivors have been asked again and again over the years, even at the Eichmann trial. \u00ab\u00a0We feared for our lives,\u00a0\u00bb answers the witness. <\/p>\n<p>The film explains that the distance from Europe, from the watchful eyes of Eichmann and Himmler, softened the Germans. One witness told of an Austrian soldier who gave him a coat when he mentioned the cold and the hunger. There is also the testimony of Yvette Sa&rsquo;adon, who grew up in Tunisia and lived through the Holocaust as a young child. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0It was a nice experience,\u00a0\u00bb she recalls, \u00ab\u00a0We hid and they searched for us. When we fled, we saw animals and goats and chickens, which for us was an experience.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Gas chambers, or none <\/p>\n<p>The film also addresses claims that gas chambers were being built in Tunisian suburbs. \u00ab\u00a0I didn&rsquo;t see any,\u00a0\u00bb says one witness, \u00ab\u00a0but people told me that chambers were built to burn Jews.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0There was no attempt to build extermination camps,\u00a0\u00bb says historian Haim Sa&rsquo;adon of Tel Aviv University. \u00ab\u00a0We found no documents to that effect.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Many have criticized me,\u00a0\u00bb says Ankari, \u00ab\u00a0that I am expressing a position and stating there were no gas chambers in Tunisia. I am not saying that. I bring three witnesses who claim there were [chambers] and one historian who says otherwise. We even went to Tunisia to film, in the place where [the Germans] had ostensibly begun building the [gas] chambers.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Ankari&rsquo;s interest in the story of North African Jewry during the Holocaust was aroused when an old Tunisian he met told him that there had been a concentration camp near his grandfather&rsquo;s house in Tunisia. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Only then did I discover that there had been concentration camps there at all,\u00a0\u00bb says Ankari. \u00ab\u00a0This is what makes the film so important. It is clear that the Holocaust in North Africa was not like the Holocaust in Europe; there is no comparison. But it is important for people to know that the Germans reached North Africa. Even someone who knows about Rommel and Montgomery doesn&rsquo;t know that the Gestapo was there, and does not know that there were concentration camps.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Lethal injection <\/p>\n<p>The three films &#8211; the one on Channel 1, directed by Yifat Kedar, and the two being broadcast on Yes &#8211; provide a picture that blends historical facts, imparted by Carmel and Ankari, with the personal, painful stories presented by Kedar. <\/p>\n<p>In addition to the experiences of Reginiano and Arbiv, Kedar&rsquo;s film includes the testimony of Bruria Dadosh, a survivor of Jado. She speaks about her honeymoon in the camp, with her husband, and about their 2-month-old daughter who died. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0She died right after an injection given to her by the camp doctor,\u00a0\u00bb recalls a teary-eyed Dadosh. \u00ab\u00a0I think about her all the time.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>The most shocking testimony in the film is given by an unidentified, very blurry figure of a man, who relates how he was raped by a German. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0He grabbed me by the throat,\u00a0\u00bb says the man, \u00ab\u00a0It hurt. For me, I am no longer a man. I used to be clever. Not anymore. I am nothing. I hope no one recognizes me. No one has to know about this, until I die.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0During the editing,\u00a0\u00bb says Kedar, \u00ab\u00a0we trimmed his testimony because it contained harsh, sexually graphic descriptions. This was the first time he told his story, and at the end of his testimony he told the interview&rsquo;s director, Amnon Binyamin, `I hope that I never see you again in my whole life, because you know my most intimate story.'\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Late reparations <\/p>\n<p>None of the filmmakers accuses anyone of concealing the story of the plight of North African Jewry. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0I could have made an entire film on why it took people decades to receive the monies due to them and why they were given nothing,\u00a0\u00bb says Carmel, \u00ab\u00a0but I did not want to make a film about insult added to injury. It was important for me to make the first film that highlights this part of history. Later, more films can and should be made on this subject.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>Kedar says that many of the witnesses she interviewed were relating their stories for the first time. <\/p>\n<p>In \u00ab\u00a0Sh&rsquo;eila Shel Zman\u00a0\u00bb a partial answer is offered as to why the witnesses have not spoken up until now. The effort to integrate into Israeli society was too great, explains the film. The discrimination and the melting pot policy were particularly harsh on the North African communities. Their new troubles essentially made them forget the old. Until the 1970s, no one considered what happened \u00ab\u00a0there.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>The survivors also never discussed their experiences at home. <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0What will I teach them, to be sheep like us?\u00a0\u00bb responded one witness when asked why he never told his family. \u00ab\u00a0I have to give them the faith that they have the strength and the ability to change.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Why should I tell [them]?\u00a0\u00bb asked another. \u00ab\u00a0To make them feel bad? Let them live their young and beautiful lives.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>One of the daughters of the second generation, whose mother survived the Holocaust in Libya, says, \u00ab\u00a0When I mention that my mother was in the Holocaust, no one believes me.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par A_Soued (A_Soued) le mardi 10 mai 2005 &#8211; 08h06: LA 3\u00c8ME OPTION POUR L&rsquo;IRAN Par David Johnson, cofondateur de l&rsquo;Alliance Am\u00e9ricaine pour un Iran d\u00e9mocratique et directeur des op\u00e9trations Article paru le 6 mai 2005 dans www.FrontPageMagazine.com Traduction par Albert Soued, www.chez.com\/soued\/confhtm pour www.nuitdorient.com La question de l&rsquo;Iran devient de plus en plus ardue&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":0,"featured_media":50203,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[497],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38097","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-commentaires"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - 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