{"id":39406,"date":"2026-10-03T03:36:18","date_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:36:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=39406"},"modified":"2026-10-03T03:36:18","modified_gmt":"2026-10-03T03:36:18","slug":"commentaires-de-decembre-2003-archive-jusquau-14-decembre-2003","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/commentaires-de-decembre-2003-archive-jusquau-14-decembre-2003\/","title":{"rendered":"Commentaires de Decembre 2003 : Archive jusqu&rsquo;au 14\/d\u00e9cembre\/2003"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><basefont\/> <a> <\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<hr\/>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12380\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12381\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Maxiton (Maxiton)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 13h41: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  alors on prie sans tahanounim lundi <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12381\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12376\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12380\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Djlachem (Djlachem)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 12h04: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Wnes, <\/p>\n<p>Sch\u00e9matisation oui. Manich\u00e9isme, non. <\/p>\n<p>sch\u00e9ma [ema] n. m. Repr\u00e9sentation simplifi\u00e9e d\u2019un objet, destin\u00e9e \u00e0 expliquer sa structure, \u00e0 faire comprendre son fonctionnement.  <\/p>\n<p>Maintenant, si votre seul kif, sur ce forum, est d&#8217;emp\u00eacher toute r\u00e9flexion en croyant, par vos anath\u00e8mes, intimider les uns et les autres, vous vous fourrez le doigt dans l&rsquo;oeil. <\/p>\n<p>Dans mon activit\u00e9 associative, je suis bien plac\u00e9 pour t\u00e9moigner du d\u00e9sir de r\u00e9formisme d&rsquo;une majorit\u00e9 silencieuse de musulmans. Ce sont ceux-l\u00e0 qu&rsquo;il faut aider. Mais auparavant, un grand travail p\u00e9dagogique est n\u00e9cessaire aupr\u00e8s de TOUS les extr\u00e9mistes, y compris Juifs. <\/p>\n<p>Votre fa\u00e7on de vouloir occulter les r\u00e9alit\u00e9s est exactement la d\u00e9marche inverse qu&rsquo;il faut adopter pour parvenir \u00e0 ce r\u00e9sultat. <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12380\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12375\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12376\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Albert (Albert)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 14h22: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Depuis ce matin, la rumeur, l&rsquo;annonce de la capture,  courrait dans les rues de Bagdad. Des tirs de joie r\u00e9sonnent dans tous les quartiers populaires de la ville. La confirmation de l&rsquo;arrestation du chef du partie BASS, apr\u00e8s 8 mois de recherches ardue ont fini par payer.  <\/p>\n<p>Une sorte de soulagement se fait sentir ici dans la capitale.On invective l&rsquo;ancien bourreau. De toutes parts. Le cauchemar est termin\u00e8.  <\/p>\n<p>Le Pr\u00e9sident BOUCHE va faire une d\u00e9claration dans les prochaines heures.  <br \/>A vous les studios. <\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;AGENCE BREITOUNA DEVANT SA TELE.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12376\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12374\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12375\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Hajkloufette (Hajkloufette)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 14h20: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  LADIES AND GENTELMEN !!!! WE GOT HIM  <br \/>conference de presse de Paul Brenner  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12375\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12373\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12374\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Hajkloufette (Hajkloufette)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 14h13: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Le Pentagone confirme !!! Saddame est bien le prisonnier qui a ete arrete le test ADN est positif !!! l as de pique est dans les choux!!!  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12374\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12371\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12373\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Albert (Albert)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 14h02: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  BAGDAG EN LIESSE. <br \/>L AGENCE BREITOUNA SUR PLACE&#8230;. <br \/>EN DIRECT&#8230;.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12373\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12370\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12371\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Hajkloufette (Hajkloufette)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 13h50: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Tony Blair confirme l info  <br \/>des millions de dollars auraient ete trouves dans la grotte de Saddam !!! le nerf de la terreur locale et peut etre le notre !!!  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12371\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12369\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12370\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Hajkloufette (Hajkloufette)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 12h53: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Des explosions de joie dans les rues irakiennes &#8230; apres l info de l arrestation de Saddame &#8230; info toujours pas conffirmee par le Pentagone mais conffirmee par le pouvoir US en Irak  <br \/>voici une image :<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"mon image\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7442.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12370\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12363\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12369\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Hajkloufette (Hajkloufette)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 12h24: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Kurdish leader Talabani claims to Iranian news agency that Saddam Hussein captured in Tikrit. State Department and Pentagon have no confirmation. US administration calls news conference in Baghdad for 3 pm local time.DEBKA sources advise treating information cautiously as Iranian source suspect. Even if established, Saddam s capture would not end guerrilla war . <\/p>\n<p>L info apparait partout mais n est touours pas confirmee !!!  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12369\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12362\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12363\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Albert (Albert)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 10h23: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Sans doute que cette sorte de langage, Monsieur Benzarti, devrait trouver sa place ailleurs,  dans le jud\u00e9o arabe.Par exemple. <\/p>\n<p>Il y a des rubriques pour \u00e7a, comme il y a tant d&rsquo;autres, ailleurs o\u00f9 l&rsquo;on peut se d\u00e9chainer, sans compter, Monsieur Benzarti. <\/p>\n<p>Domage que les mod\u00e9rateurs ne comprennent pas tout \u00e0 fait l&rsquo;arabe. Sinon comment laisser faire passer de telles maladresses.  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12363\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12361\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12362\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Bazooka (Bazooka)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 10h12: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p> Pour ceux que cela interesse, le paquebot Queen Mary 2 (dont la mise a flot est prevue pour fin 2003 debut 2004), propose des croisieres casher. <\/p>\n<p>Pour plus d&rsquo;infos : <br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cruiseweb.com\/CUNARD-QUEEN-MARY-2.HTM\">http:\/\/www.cruiseweb.com\/CUNARD-QUEEN-MARY-2.HTM<\/a> <\/p>\n<p>Peut-etre qu&rsquo;en poussant un peu ils seront prets a mettre nos specialites au menu &#8230; <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12362\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12360\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12361\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Mailroom (Mailroom)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 09h02: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Each year, one of my greatest joys has been to attend the \u00ab\u00a0Sephardic Film festival\u00a0\u00bb in New York City. It has always been a treat for me because it is a visual representation of the \u00ab\u00a0images\u00a0\u00bb a diverse body of my CO-religionists use to depict lost communities or lost souls on a quest to reinvent themselves in Israel or in the Diaspora. What a wonderful concept!!!!! However, this time, I also attended the \u00ab\u00a0African Film Festival,\u00a0\u00bb and an \u00ab\u00a0Arab Film Festival\u00a0\u00bb which presented under the auspices of New York University. I was also aware of the way this experience, for me, involved a plethora of other acutely felt manipulations. <br \/>     To convey a validation and identification of the manner in which the Sephardic and Mizrahi presence has impacted world history, Jewish or not, is a 5,764 year old story of who we are, as Jews, and how we think of ourselves today. However, my journey through \u00ab\u00a0movieland\u00a0\u00bb was overladen by an intense feeling of manipulation and alienation from the very people who control the selection of the movies shown and their vision of how we should be educated about non-Western culture. <br \/>      Because I was affected so deeply both positively and negatively, at least I can say my reactions are noteworthy. Obviously, the \u00ab\u00a0scripts\u00a0\u00bb themselves convey the world view of the writers. However, as a panoply of \u00ab\u00a0festivals\u00a0\u00bb began to converge on New York City in early December, I began to realize how Jewish identity is molded by even the most superficial associations as one enters the tacit partnership that occurs between the spectator and filmmaker. In addition, the relationship and provenance of the film as it measures up to the criteria of the film selection committee must also be open to scrutiny. An organization, like Sephardic House, that professes to present clarity about \u00ab\u00a0outsider Jews\u00a0\u00bb is as much under circumspection as the material it chooses to present. The audience, then, is also obliged to perceive the material presented, not only as spectator, but also as recipient of preconditioned standards and conclusions. Thus, I became very sensitive to the purposes of the purveyors of the films and the demographics of the audiences themselves at each of the festivals I visited. In the end, then, I realized very quickly, how the \u00ab\u00a0scripts\u00a0\u00bb become a marketing tool for a particular target audience.  <br \/>     So, my point is, that I became acutely involved in what became for me the twisted drama of European Vs. Nonwestern appreciation of culture and establishment versus antiestablishment views on Jewish self-perception. Ultimately, I felt like a victim of the ineluctable interplay between \u00ab\u00a0Who is a Jew?\u00a0\u00bb and the Jew-ish milieu that defines interpretation for me. But isn&rsquo;t this a compression of what&rsquo;s played out in the world arena vis a vis Jewish politics inside and outside Israel and between the Sephardim and Mizrachim themselves? <br \/>     I don&rsquo;t know where my passion for Sephardic and Oriental Jews comes from. My choices to spend time in North Africa and involvement with marginalized peoples is not of recent vintage. However, the decision to show the \u00ab\u00a0radical\u00a0\u00bb film by David Benchetrit, \u00ab\u00a0Ruach Kaddim\u00a0\u00bb about the Moroccan struggle to equilibrate itself with the Western Zionist model for success, is a very positive step forward. However, I had to go to \u00ab\u00a0The African Diaspora Film Festival\u00a0\u00bb or the N. Y. U. Arab program to see Sami Shalom Chetrit&rsquo;s, \u00ab\u00a0Israeli Black Panthers.\u00a0\u00bb Its omission from the Sephardic film Festival clearly reflects the values engendered by the administrative body at Sephardic House and their sense of political correctness.    <br \/>          \u00ab\u00a0Israeli Black Panthers\u00a0\u00bb was an up-in-your-face, defiant, and resolute in its commitment to an authentic statement of facts as mirrored in the U.S. by the Black Civil Rights movement that spawned it&rsquo;s imitation for a brief three-year period in Israel. The sparks that generated that movement are still flashing today&#8230;..The bearers of those sparks are our connection to a disappearing Jewish-Arab world and it is their efforts that re-ignite the memory of a lost world. <br \/>      Indeed, the \u00ab\u00a0tikkun olam (healing of the world) must include \u00ab\u00a0tikkun mizrachi (mizrach healing) and hearing!!!!!! Black Panthers in Israel also played at the Kantor Auditorium which is affiliated with N. Y. U. The audience was young and open, inquiring, Jewish and Muslim. There was a panel discussion by Sami Chetrit Shalom and Ammiel Alcalay. Ella Shohat, the prominent Iraqi-Jewish Professor who wrote one of the definitive books on Israeli cinema was not present but she figures in \u00ab\u00a0Forget Baghdad\u00a0\u00bb which was another offering at the \u00ab\u00a0Sephardic Film Festival.\u00a0\u00bb Chetrit and Alcalay&rsquo;s presence enhance the film by extraordinary scholarship and dedication to the soul of the Jews from Arab countries. After staying for a portion of their discussion, I ran over to catch the screening of \u00ab\u00a0Forget Baghdad\u00a0\u00bb at the Sephardic Festival. <br \/>       \u00ab\u00a0Forget Baghdad\u00a0\u00bb was very fascinating, as well, but immediately I felt like I had entered another energy field. The movie is a documentary about Samir Naqqash, Shimon Ballas, Sami Michael , and Moussa Houri and Ella Shohat, herself, who figures prominently in the film. The film describes the men&rsquo;s affiliation with the Communist party, their estrangement from the Arab context from which they where exiled and how they express their emotional and intellectual frustration in a world where they describe the pain they feel in trying to straddle the Arab world they left behind and reintegrate into Askenazi &#8211; dominated society.  <br \/>        I thought the movie was very illuminating and important. However, many people in the audience commented that the people in the film couldn&rsquo;t really represent mainstream Iraqi-Jewish people because the spokespeople in the movie were all Communists and basically what could they know, anyway, since you don&rsquo;t have to be a Communist to be a successful Iraqi Jew. This underlying threat was the rationale that seemed to negate the creative, brilliant ways these people have accommodated themselves to their current conflicted reality in Israel and in the Diaspora. In the meantime, \u00ab\u00a0Forget Baghdad\u00a0\u00bb is playing at Cinema Village which is a commercial theater. Touting it as a premiere at the Sephardic Film Festival and then having it shown concurrently at a nearby venue made its uniqueness seem somewhat less compelling. <br \/>       The biggest atrocity for me, however, was \u00ab\u00a0La Verite Si Je Mens?\u00a0\u00bb which means \u00ab\u00a0Would I Lie to You ?\u00a0\u00bb  Well, in short, I believe you would on every layer of interpretation available. The premise of the movie is that, the hero, a n&rsquo;er do well \u00ab\u00a0goy\u00a0\u00bb mistakenly gets embraced by Jewish North Africans who have attained high economic status in the garment industry. As a result of this association, he attains great success in their fellowship and winds up marrying the boss&rsquo; daughter. To say the least, the execution of this story line must have had a powerful affect on me because I found it so reprehensible. <br \/>       It was filmed in 1997 and was a great commercial success in France. The director is Polish. Because it was a comedy, I think a lot of liberties were taken that many people can write off as silliness or caricature. I found everything about it offensive! The successful North <br \/>Africans were broad stereotypes of the Maghrebian nouveau riche who are vapid, venal, sex-obsessed and having no sense of culture or taste. Their homes are luxurious but garishly decorated, they pander to the lowest common denominator. The main Jewish characters are duplicitous, and vulgar.   <br \/>     In the end, the \u00ab\u00a0goy\u00a0\u00bb prevails. His values are the most honorable but to win his heart&rsquo;s desire he has to better his most formidable and despicable adversaries. He does this by emulating his Jewish role models and then it turns out his \u00ab\u00a0Neshama\u00a0\u00bb is not really Jewish!!! Hello!!! Is there a mixed message here? I am all for romantic love and the idea that love conquers all but does everything have to be so one-sided? <br \/>       When I was in Morocco, I found that Moroccan Muslims thought of Moroccan Jews to be exactly like the stereotypes portrayed in the movie. After, all Andre Azoulay is Mohammed VI&rsquo;s financial advisor and Albert Levy owns a very fancy nightclub in Rabat and drives a very fancy car. When I went to see Serge Berdugo, a well-known and respected member of the Casablanca Jewish community who was the Minister of Tourism in Morocco about 8 or 9 years ago, he was amazed that I wanted to research the remnants of the Amazigh Jews left in Morocco today. He was more concerned with trying to seduce me in his grand Minister&rsquo;s office in Rabat. I was so earnest to pursue my quest that he seemed confounded by my misguided passion. So he patronized me by calling me \u00ab\u00a0ma pauvre Juive \u00a0\u00bb and proceeding to redirect my ardor.  <br \/>       I married a Amazigh Muslim and consequently he was given a new appellative, \u00ab\u00a0The Husband of The Jew!\u00a0\u00bb To me, it seemed as if he had been perceived as if he had married the entire Jewish nation! Anyway, Abraham Serfaty, the Communist, was a Jew, and someone whom my ex-husband had perceived as a personal hero long before I met him. Serfaty, spent 27 years in Tazmamart prison for his beliefs and my ex-husband was drawn to him. My ex-husband is an educated man with a degree in English Literature from the University of Kenitra, Morocco. But Serfaty, for him, was emblematic because of his political struggle. Serfaty was a Moroccan, first and foremost. To non-Jewish intellectually aware North Africans, Serfaty&rsquo;s is a great man because of his ideals and certainly not because he is Jewish.  <br \/>       Abraham Serfaty was never pro-Zionist so the paradigm in which he falls is neatly constructed. His patriotism as a Moroccan, first and foremost, was never in question. My ex-husband never understood the concept of Zionism and now, considering his cultural orientation, I can now understand his position although I used to tirelessly accuse him of callowness. <br \/>      The North African Jews I visited for Passover were the only Moroccans I ever visited that had a completely European home, furnished in elegant taste, I might add, but a far cry from the ordinary Jews or ordinary Muslim Moroccans who I met serendipitously, on the street or in rural settings, for example. Morocco, is unusual because you can go a short distance from one village to another and encounter a very different society.  <br \/>     When I prayed on High Holy Days in Rabat, the congregation looked at me with disdain for having henna on my feet and hands. Amazigh North Africans, whether Muslim or Jewish, don&rsquo;t even have a first language in common and likewise indigenous Amazigh Jews and Jews who settled in Morocco after the expulsion from Spain don&rsquo;t even have a common heritage!!!!!  Imagine then, a film like \u00ab\u00a0La Verite Si Je Mens? being a box-office hit in France where 6 million Moslems, are laughing at the stereotype of the Jewish Maghrebian that is easiest to hate. Ugh!!!!! Apparently, a sequel has already been made to this movie so I can only shudder at its premise and execution!!!!!  <br \/>      And that brings us back to the wealthy arriviste category of North African Jew that religiously looks after itself and its own material gain. The fact that they are successful probably obviates any need to balk at the picture. The affluent Moroccan Jews inside Morocco and in France probably just laugh at the exaggerated way they are portrayed because, what the Hell, the others are just jealous and anyway, they have already made it in the European world. So, what I really want to know is, who is really being educated by watching this movie at a Sephardic Movie Festival that purports to present an accurate Jewish lifestyle!!!!! Because, we mustn&rsquo;t forget that so many of them came to America, with nothing and we&rsquo;re blessed with the promises of the American Dream. In fact, at one point, the words, American Dream subliminally flash at the audience during the film. <br \/>        Maybe, we need a film about the life of Abraham Serfaty or a movie about my beautiful Amazigh Jews of the High Atlas, Middle-Atlas, and the Rif.  Their oral histories and their own recorded accounts of their life experiences would be infinitely more enlightening. Certainly, that would be a real eye-opener, wouldn&rsquo;t it? Or, for example, a tribute to Jewish Maghrebis told from the point of view of their Muslim neighbors who could show what items the Jews gave them when they left and how much they are missed. Why have I never seen a documentary of a \u00ab\u00a0hilloula\u00a0\u00bb to the graveside of Rabbi Amran Ben Diwane at Oezzane? Well, for the time being, a dispassionate look at art cooking, and music seems to among the safest forms of nostalgia that Jews from Arab countries can present to Western audiences without creating a sense of mistrust or doubt. But before we can satirize a Jew, we definitely need to know how to portray him realistically in the myriad Protean guises that such an analysis entails. ideally, we could view each other, then, with open minds and open hearts and fewer apologies&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00bb I ran with Kahena, and wept when the magic stopped, <br \/>  The rabbis said to build a fence around the torah <br \/>  but the fence they built has locked me out&#8230;.\u00a0\u00bb <\/p>\n<p>LaKa  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12361\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12356\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12360\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Bekhor (Bekhor)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 05h44: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  YA KHOUYA SLIM, <\/p>\n<p>Effectivement SESSI est Sfaxien et d&rsquo;apr\u00e9s lui l&rsquo;origine du nom est purement Sfaxienne ou encore plus au sud. <\/p>\n<p>De toute fa\u00e7on j&rsquo;apprend encore et encore comme le dit si bien, notre cher doyen qui m\u00e9trise si bien la langue arabe, Monsieur Emile Tubiana, Robbi ikator khirou ou yzid fi amrou. <\/p>\n<p>Merci aussi a toi mon ami de m&rsquo;avoir \u00e9clair\u00e9 a ce sujet. <br \/>TASSBAKH ALE KHIR;  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div> <a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MT\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Haut de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_top.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12360\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_up.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Message suivant\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_down.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#MB\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Bas de la page\" height=\"12\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/mark_bottom.gif\" width=\"12\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/messages\/97\/7456.html#POST12356\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lien vers ce message\" height=\"16\" src=\"https:\/\/harissa.com\/discus\/icons\/tree_m.gif\" width=\"20\"\/><\/a>  Par <b><a href=\"javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')\">Mena (Mena)<\/a><\/b> le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 05h26: <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>  Camp David III (info # 011312\/3) [analyse] <\/p>\n<p>Par Sami el-Soudi \u00a9 Metula News Agency <\/p>\n<p>Ici aussi nous avons suivi le narratif imaginaire des discussions de Camp David propos\u00e9 par le journaliste fran\u00e7ais Charles Enderlin dans son livre le R\u00eave bris\u00e9. Selon ce familier de Yasser Arafat, les raisons de l&rsquo;\u00e9chec de ces n\u00e9gociations \u00e9taient dues \u00e0 deux facteurs principaux : <\/p>\n<p>\u00b7        L&rsquo;absence de cartes g\u00e9ographiques stipulant pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment les fronti\u00e8res de notre futur Etat et <\/p>\n<p>\u00b7        le subterfuge de messieurs Clinton et Barak, qui n&rsquo;auraient pas eu l&rsquo;intention v\u00e9ritable de parvenir \u00e0 un accord \u00e0 cette occasion mais dont le but sournois aurait consist\u00e9 \u00e0 humilier le Pr\u00e9sident de l&rsquo;Autorit\u00e9 Palestinienne. Ils auraient pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 Arafat, de mani\u00e8re factice, comme l&rsquo;\u00e9cueil unique sur la voie de la paix, ce afin de redorer le blason politique du Premier ministre isra\u00e9lien de l&rsquo;\u00e9poque aupr\u00e8s de ses \u00e9lecteurs. <\/p>\n<p>Avec mes coll\u00e8gues de la M\u00e9na, mais \u00e9galement en suivant les t\u00e9moignages directs de messieurs Clinton, Barak et Ben Ami, nous avons largement comment\u00e9 cette hypoth\u00e8se et d\u00e9montr\u00e9, par une analyse sereine des faits, qu&rsquo;elle n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas plausible. <\/p>\n<p>En v\u00e9rit\u00e9, l&rsquo;hypoth\u00e8se d&rsquo;Enderlin, propag\u00e9e dans le monde entier par l&rsquo;ensemble de la presse et de la diplomatie fran\u00e7aise, avec des moyens jamais engag\u00e9s auparavant, suivait un but global. Il s&rsquo;est agi de sauver la cr\u00e9dibilit\u00e9 de notre grand timonier, de dissimuler le fait qu&rsquo;il s&rsquo;opposait \u00e0 la reconnaissance du droit de nos voisins \u00e0 exister et \u00e0 d\u00e9cr\u00e9ter la fin du conflit isra\u00e9lo-arabe. Accessoirement, il s&rsquo;agissait de fournir \u00e0 Arafat un alibi th\u00e9orique pour le d\u00e9clenchement de son Intifada, auquel il proc\u00e9da d\u00e8s son retour des Etats-Unis. <\/p>\n<p>En superficialit\u00e9, il pourrait appara\u00eetre que seuls les Isra\u00e9liens nourrissent de bonnes raisons d&rsquo;en vouloir \u00e0 Enderlin ainsi qu&rsquo;\u00e0 la politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re suivie par Paris. Lorsque l&rsquo;on ajoute au sauf-conduit \u00e0 Arafat contenu dans le R\u00eave bris\u00e9, la participation du m\u00eame reporter \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement du symbole de l&rsquo;Intifada, par la mise en sc\u00e8ne m\u00e9diatique de l&rsquo;assassinat d&rsquo;Al Dura, on est port\u00e9 \u00e0 les comprendre. Il faudrait \u00eatre vraiment na\u00eff pour consid\u00e9rer la participation d&rsquo;Enderlin aux deux \u00e9v\u00e9nements les plus marquants de l&rsquo;Intifada \u2013 sa justification politique, d&rsquo;une part et sa pr\u00e9sentation symbolique, de l&rsquo;autre \u2013 comme un concours de circonstances. <\/p>\n<p>Ca n&rsquo;est en tous cas pas mon cas. De plus, je conteste que le correspondant de la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision d&rsquo;Etat fran\u00e7aise ait fait plus de mal aux Isra\u00e9liens qu&rsquo;\u00e0 mon propre peuple. Ma t\u00e2che de d\u00e9monstration est facile, il suffit de constater dans quel \u00e9tat de destruction, dans quel recul historique, la guerre d&rsquo;Arafat a plong\u00e9 mon peuple. Avant, l&rsquo;espoir de vivre d\u00e9cemment, un a\u00e9roport autonome \u00e0 Gaza, l&rsquo;occupant, qui se d\u00e9sengageait progressivement de nos territoires, qui venait d\u00e9penser son argent dans notre casino de J\u00e9richo, qui employait des dizaines de milliers de nos travailleurs. Apr\u00e8s, la vie entre deux check-posts, le d\u00e9membrement des pr\u00e9mices du premier Etat palestinien \u00e0 voir le jour, et aussi, l&rsquo;indignit\u00e9 suffocante du mensonge permanent, port\u00e9 au rang de raison d&rsquo;Etat. La victimisation acharn\u00e9e d&rsquo;un peuple, jadis fier et respectable, qui fait de nous tous des Mohammad Al Dura, forc\u00e9s de jouer la com\u00e9die de notre trag\u00e9die authentique, qui fait de nous des Talal Abou Rahma, le plus grand escroc qui soit jamais n\u00e9 en cette terre de Palestine. <\/p>\n<p>Il y a ici deux groupes de personnes : ceux qui se remplissent les poches et que le refus born\u00e9 d&rsquo;Arafat de la coexistence pacifique avec Isra\u00ebl a rendus riches, importants et c\u00e9l\u00e8bres et la masse des gens, que l&rsquo;ent\u00eatement int\u00e9ress\u00e9 des premiers maintient dans un d\u00e9nuement quasi absolu. Vous n&rsquo;imaginez pas, lecteurs de la M\u00e9na, la profondeur de cette mis\u00e8re mat\u00e9rielle et humaine et c&rsquo;est \u00e0 un peuple enguenill\u00e9 et qui a faim qu&rsquo;on demande, en plus, de prendre des poses de menteurs. Je me souviendrai de Charles Enderlin et de l&rsquo;amiti\u00e9 de la France, ils n&rsquo;ont servi qu&rsquo;\u00e0 justifier qu&rsquo;on nous jette, une fois de plus, en p\u00e2ture \u00e0 une Djihad perdue d&rsquo;avance. Ils ne servent qu&rsquo;\u00e0 maintenir des tourmenteurs-profiteurs \u00e0 la t\u00eate de notre peuple. <\/p>\n<p>Mais ceci est une analyse politique, pas une litanie, aussi est-il temps de mettre ces amis en face de leurs responsabilit\u00e9s \u00e9crasantes, en posant une seule question : <\/p>\n<p>Qui humilie d\u00e9sormais Yasser Arafat, au point de l&#8217;emp\u00eacher de prendre \u00e0 son compte les termes de l&rsquo;accord de Gen\u00e8ve ? <\/p>\n<p>Je m&rsquo;explique. L&rsquo;accord propos\u00e9 dans la cit\u00e9 l\u00e9manique renferme objectivement les conditions les plus favorables possibles d&rsquo;une paix consensuelle avec nos adversaires juifs. Ses termes sont am\u00e9lior\u00e9s en comparaison de la proposition de Camp David, puisque, par exemple, nous y obtenons la souverainet\u00e9 sans partage sur l&rsquo;esplanade des mosqu\u00e9es et qu&rsquo;aucun soldat isra\u00e9lien ne serait admis dans la vieille ville de J\u00e9rusalem, y compris dans le quartier juif. <\/p>\n<p>D&rsquo;apr\u00e8s Enderlin, aucun pourcentage des territoires contr\u00f4l\u00e9s par Isra\u00ebl n&rsquo;avait \u00e9t\u00e9 pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 en Am\u00e9rique; l\u00e0, an\u00e9antissant le doute, le texte pr\u00e9voit en tous cas l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement de notre Etat sur 98% des terres palestiniennes, conquises en 1967 par les Isra\u00e9liens sur la Jordanie. <\/p>\n<p>Une carte millim\u00e9tr\u00e9e, Ya\u00e7ir Abed Rabou en guise de Clinton et Yossi Beilin, \u00e0 la place de Barak, que manque-t-il alors au ra\u00efs pour endosser ce plan, ce Camp David num\u00e9ro III ? Surtout que s&rsquo;il le faisait, s&rsquo;il jugulait les bandits islamiques et s&rsquo;il d\u00e9clarait une Houdna unilat\u00e9rale et compl\u00e8te d&rsquo;un an, tous les experts que Juffa et Tsadik ont rencontr\u00e9s en Espagne (o\u00f9 ils participaient \u00e0 une r\u00e9union d&rsquo;experts des questions strat\u00e9giques Ndlr.) s&rsquo;accordent pour affirmer que la communaut\u00e9 internationale, les Etats-Unis en t\u00eate, forcerait Sharon \u00e0 accepter \u00e9galement les accords de Gen\u00e8ve. <\/p>\n<p>Mais non seulement Arafat n&rsquo;assume-t-il pas ce plan, de plus vient-il de d\u00e9clarer qu&rsquo;on ne le lui avait jamais pr\u00e9sent\u00e9. Dire qu&rsquo;en une occasion, je me suis trouv\u00e9 \u00e0 un m\u00e8tre de cet auteur de crimes contre l&rsquo;humanit\u00e9 et marionnette de Guignol, lorsqu&rsquo;il a dict\u00e9 un paragraphe entier de l&rsquo;accord \u00e0 Abed Rabou, qui n\u00e9gociait alors \u00e0 (\u2026) avec Beilin. <\/p>\n<p>Bis repetita la fourberie arafatienne de la n\u00e9gociation des accords d&rsquo;Oslo et la schizophr\u00e9nie instrumentale. Trois ans d&rsquo;histoire depuis Camp David, \u00e7a n&rsquo;est pas une seconde \u00e0 l&rsquo;horloge de l&rsquo;Histoire. Je me fiche bien que le d\u00e9sir du vieux fou d&rsquo;\u00e9radiquer ses voisins fasse avaler \u00e0 Enderlin les couleuvres qu&rsquo;il m\u00e9rite, lui apprenant les dangers, pour un journaliste, de vouloir influer sur le cours des choses en mettant la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 en sc\u00e8ne. Je me fiche d&rsquo;Enderlin mais pas des morts, des infirmes, des bless\u00e9s et des mis\u00e9reux qui devront attendre l&rsquo;apr\u00e8s-Arafat pour que se redessine la voie de la r\u00e9habilitation et l&rsquo;espoir d&rsquo;une vie d\u00e9cente et en harmonie avec le monde\u2026 pour ceux qui traverseront la campagne autodestructrice d&rsquo;Arafat, s&rsquo;entend.  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par Maxiton (Maxiton) le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 13h41: alors on prie sans tahanounim lundi Par Djlachem (Djlachem) le dimanche 14 d\u00e9cembre 2003 &#8211; 12h04: Wnes, Sch\u00e9matisation oui. Manich\u00e9isme, non. sch\u00e9ma [ema] n. m. Repr\u00e9sentation simplifi\u00e9e d\u2019un objet, destin\u00e9e \u00e0 expliquer sa structure, \u00e0 faire comprendre son fonctionnement. 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