{"id":965,"date":"2011-02-16T22:36:54","date_gmt":"2011-02-16T22:36:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/?p=965"},"modified":"2011-02-17T01:02:59","modified_gmt":"2011-02-17T01:02:59","slug":"droit-de-reponse-a-mon-ami-le-pere-remaud-ancien-ou-premier-testament","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/harissa.com\/news-wp\/droit-de-reponse-a-mon-ami-le-pere-remaud-ancien-ou-premier-testament\/","title":{"rendered":"Droit de r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 mon ami le P\u00e8re Remaud : Ancien ou Premier Testament ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\n\t<font size=\"4\"><b>Droit de r&eacute;ponse &agrave; mon ami <a href=\"http:\/\/www.harissa.com\/news\/article\/faut-il-dire-%C2%AB-ancien-testament-%C2%BB-par-le-p-michel-remaud\">le P&egrave;re Remaud : <\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.harissa.com\/news\/article\/faut-il-dire-%C2%AB-ancien-testament-%C2%BB-par-le-p-michel-remaud\">&quot;Ancien ou Premier Testament&quot; ?<\/a><\/b><\/font><br \/>\n\t<b><i>F&eacute;lix Perez, auteur de &quot;Les Origines Juives des F&ecirc;tes Chr&eacute;tiennes&quot;<br \/>\n\tEd. Convergences &#8211; 3&egrave; &eacute;dition novembre 2010.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p>\tMon ami le P&egrave;re Remaud r&eacute;agit &agrave; l&#39;utilisation dans mon dernier livre (comme &agrave; quelques autres) de la terminologie &quot;Premier et Deuxi&egrave;me Testaments&quot; en lieu et place de la plus classique &quot;Ancien et Nouveau Testaments&quot;.<br \/>\n\tJe voudrais lui r&eacute;pondre dans le cadre d&#39;un sain d&eacute;bat th&eacute;ologique qui reste inscrit dans l&#39;amiti&eacute; et la fraternit&eacute;&nbsp; en entrant dans le vif du sujet.<\/p>\n<p>\tReprenons les arguments du P&egrave;re Remaud :<br \/>\n\t<i>1- &quot;J&eacute;r&eacute;mie annonce que Dieu va conclure avec la maison d&rsquo;Isra&euml;l et la maison de Juda une <u>Alliance nouvelle<\/u>&quot; qui serait d&egrave;s lors base du &quot;<u>Nouveau Testament<\/u>&quot;. <\/i><br \/>\n\tC&#39;est argument est absolument valable pour des lecteurs chr&eacute;tiens. Mais il ne l&#39;est absolument pas pour des lecteurs juifs qui, justement, ne reconnaissent pas dans ces livres la r&eacute;alisation de la parole de J&eacute;r&eacute;mie. D&egrave;s lors pour eux, il ne saurait s&#39;&#39;agir, y compris en ligne avec la logique du P&egrave;re Remaud d&#39;un &quot;Nouveau Testament&quot; r&eacute;alisant la proph&eacute;tie de J&eacute;r&eacute;mie. Leur messie reste &agrave; venir et cette alliance J&eacute;r&eacute;miesque aussi.<br \/>\n\t<i>2- &quot; Le terme d&rsquo;ancien est plus ou moins synonyme de p&eacute;rim&eacute;. Mais dans la culture contemporaine, ce qui est nouveau est g&eacute;n&eacute;ralement synonyme d&rsquo;&eacute;ph&eacute;m&egrave;re&quot;. <\/i><br \/>\n\tCela dit, ni les Juifs ni l&#39;Eglise (les 2 protagonistes) n&#39;ont pr&eacute;tendu que ce &quot;Nouveau Testament&quot; n&#39;&eacute;tait pour l&#39;heure, ni &eacute;ph&eacute;m&egrave;re ni d&eacute;pass&eacute; par autre chose. D&egrave;s lors on en reste bien comme le dit le P&egrave;re Remaud &agrave; un &quot;ancien testament&quot; p&eacute;rim&eacute; par le nouveau. Ce qui est absolument dans la logique chr&eacute;tienne mais nullement acceptable par la th&eacute;ologie juive.<br \/>\n\t<i>3- &quot; Il n&rsquo;est pas n&eacute;cessaire d&rsquo;&ecirc;tre notaire pour savoir qu&rsquo;un second testament annule le pr&eacute;c&eacute;dent&quot;. <\/i><br \/>\n\tSauf &agrave; consid&eacute;rer, comme la th&eacute;ologie juive le fait que le second, ne r&eacute;pondant pas &agrave; ses propres crit&egrave;res d&#39;authenticit&eacute;, est contest&eacute; devant notaire et n&#39;annule d&egrave;s lors pas le premier. (Cependant, la th&eacute;ologie juive, dans sa logique propre, ne conteste nullement aux chr&eacute;tiens le fait de penser le contraire).<br \/>\n\t<i>4- &quot;&laquo;&nbsp;Le nouveau se cache dans l&rsquo;ancien et l&rsquo;ancien se r&eacute;v&egrave;le dans le nouveau&nbsp;&raquo;, dit saint Augustin.&quot;<\/i><br \/>\n\tCela est absolument vrai dans la logique chr&eacute;tienne mais &agrave; l&#39;oppos&eacute; de la th&eacute;ologie juive pour qui le second testament n&#39;est aucunement l&#39;assomption du premier, ni ne s&#39;y cache &agrave; aucun endroit ! Sauf &agrave; obliger les juifs &agrave; accepter la doctrine chr&eacute;tienne !<\/p>\n<p>\tLe P&egrave;re Remaud a donc r&eacute;ussi &agrave; illustrer, un peu malgr&eacute; lui, que les terminologies Ancien et Nouveau &eacute;taient absolument li&eacute;es &agrave; la th&eacute;ologie chr&eacute;tienne.<br \/>\n\tEt, de ce fait, comme nous venons de le montrer, inacceptables pour ceux qui, fid&egrave;les &agrave; la th&eacute;ologie juive authentique (dont l&#39;Eglise se refuse &agrave; contester l&#39;existence), ne sont nullement li&eacute;s aux dogmes chr&eacute;tiens : assomption de l&#39;Ancien par le Nouveau, annonces du Nouveau par l&#39;Ancien&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tD&egrave;s lors, si on ne peut qu&#39;&ecirc;tre d&#39;accord avec le P&egrave;re Remaud pour le maintien des termes historiques pour des chr&eacute;tiens, on ne peut qu&#39;insister pour souligner que les personnes fid&egrave;les &agrave; la th&eacute;ologie juive, g&ecirc;n&eacute;es par employer des termes &agrave; si forte connotation th&eacute;ologique comme soulign&eacute; par le P&egrave;re Remaud), leur pr&eacute;f&egrave;rent les termes plus neutres de &quot;Premier Testament&quot; et &quot;Second Testament&quot;.<\/p>\n<p>\t<b>F&eacute;lix Perez<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Droit de r&eacute;ponse &agrave; mon ami le P&egrave;re Remaud : &quot;Ancien ou Premier Testament&quot; ? F&eacute;lix Perez, auteur de &quot;Les Origines Juives des F&ecirc;tes Chr&eacute;tiennes&quot; Ed. Convergences &#8211; 3&egrave; &eacute;dition novembre 2010. Mon ami le P&egrave;re Remaud r&eacute;agit &agrave; l&#39;utilisation dans mon dernier livre (comme &agrave; quelques autres) de la terminologie &quot;Premier et Deuxi&egrave;me Testaments&quot;&hellip;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":15466,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-965","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-judaisme","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Droit de r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 mon ami le P\u00e8re Remaud : Ancien ou Premier Testament ? | HARISSA.COM<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Harissa a pour but de reunir, preserver et presenter l&#039;histoire et la culture des Juifs Tunisiens. 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